Some people say Nagato is stronger than Yamato, but that’s not the case. Nagato’s magazine has thick armor, but its horizontal armor is the same as none. one shot can kill more than half of its crew.$80 ship…It loses its crew very quickly, which is a fatal weakness, making its powerful magazine armor a decoration because you don’t need to hit its magazine,you can just hit the middle part of the ship.There are three reasons for this situation: firstly, the vast majority of crew members are in the middle of the ship. Secondly, its horizontal armor is made of structural steel in the game, which provides almost no protection.In history, it was supposed to be HTS. Thirdly, when you open the CDK, you will find some holes in the middle of Nagato. These holes appear because the structural steel did not fully cover them. I suspect that gaijin copied the armor of the Mutsu when making Nagato. Someone submitted issues about this have been rejected
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Better than Yamato who just got onetapped with magazine actually XD.
Well, more focus should be put into making structual steel into HTS, but still, Nagato’s refit in 1930s doesn’t prioritize enhancing horizontal protection, especially on mahcinery spaces. Some enhancement has done, but clearly not enough to stop the sharpnels ingame.
You mean the support where certain staff will claim it’s “not a bug”. Cause there’s been multiple times where an actual bug was tossed in the trash bin and claimed as “not a bug”
You don’t even need to tap the magazine. You just need to fire at turret 2 barbette and the shell room will do the rest at 15km.
15km away with less than 450 shells, the Yamato is less prone to explosions.The crew of the Nagato will be killed all before the explosion in the Yamato magazine ：）
The middle section of Nagato was completely copied from Mutsu and switched to structural steel, which resulted in holes in Nagato’s steel where there shouldn’t be any. I tried submitting an issue, but it just got marked as ‘not a bug’ every time, which doesn’t help at all. Even the smallest caliber naval guns could go straight through those holes and hit the engine room. It needs fixing. Even if you don’t change it to the same rolled homogeneous armor as Mutsu, at least the holes that shouldn’t be there should be filled in.
The “not a bug” label is also used when there isn’t enough information in the report to be able to investigate or the report is incorrectly made. So even though a report is describing an actual bug, that label can still be used if the report can’t be used (i have suggested an update to those labels as well, there really should be one that says “incorrectly made report” for example).
Sometimes it’s very frustrating when certain things are inexplicably labeled as ‘not a bug’, especially when there is plenty of material to back them up. I believe a large part of the player community’s dissatisfaction with Gaijin comes from the countless issues being tagged as ‘not a bug’.
You can always send a private message to one of the technical moderators to ask why a report was closed. Many players are to impatient and are very fast to jump to conclusions and make assumptions without actually checking things.
Basically both ships are wrong ingame. Armours near machinery space of Nagato class are not RHA neither mild steel(which ingame used as structure steel). They are HTS which is significantly weaker than RHA and little bit stronger than mild steel.
Cases of bow deck armour and underwater protection are the same cases.
And all that because Gaijin don’t want to make one more steel type. Even if it’s a code limitation they could easily just model it as thicker structural steel or thinner RHA to get to HTS (0.6x RHA)
So when it’s meant to be, for example, 76.2mm HTS it could either be 45.7mm RHA or 114.3mm structural steel.
This is not an excuse to get it wrong like this
While you are partially correct, you are also. People have shown screenshots over the course of 13 years this game has existed, from a bug, but it is closed as “not a bug”.
So fair, I guess. But I kind of expect a vague or no response at all. If a response does occur likely be a confusing one.
This is a great solution. I reported an issue about it and hoped they would accept it, but the Bug Reporting Manager only replied ‘not a bug’.The $80 ship shouldn’t be treated like this. Has Gaijin forgotten how to make money？
I reported a bug but it was discarded, so I am writing here.
Link:装甲鈑製造についての回顧録
This is part of a retrospective by the armour plate manufacturer.
The armour mentioned here falls into two categories:
・VC steel (domestically produced in 1915)
・NVNC steel (produced in 1925. *Already documented in the 1918 88 Fleet Plan, indicating prior planning)
The manufacturer states the following:
➀ (P.42) ‘NVNC steel is produced during the VC manufacturing process by omitting surface carburisation and surface hardening. After rolling, repeated quenching treatments create a homogeneous sorbite structure.’
➁ (P.43) ‘Based on the results of 1924 gunnery trials, major vessels underwent refitting. Horizontal armour on existing ships was reinforced to counter increased gun ranges. Decks were thickened to withstand aerial bombs. In any case, no steel other than VC steel and NVNC steel was adopted.’
➀ and ➁ clearly indicate that treating it as HT is erroneous, yet they seemed unwilling to acknowledge this.
Responses to bug reports merely stated ‘it’s just hidden’ or ‘it’s not a bug’.
The German image you posted is horribly wrong. It’s old data, when things were not well known.
For example, Nagato’s sloped deck armor on engine side was never sole 75 mm NVNC, it’s three 25.4 mm HT plate welded together, meaning that it will be much weaker than sole 75 mm HT plate.
Gaijin’s current armor model is based on more accutrate Japanese sources. Just the problem is Gaijin don’t distinguish HT and MS(which is structual steel ingame), but your instance of NVNC instead of HT is sadly, totally wrong.
@Magiaconatus Well here is man that is more of culture than me, so he would explain better I suppose?