why cant they keep it and put it in the live server its not that over powered and people are getting mad because u can fire from ur base and destroy a base with 6 of these grom-1 and aircraft can reach the base before it get there at its br cant they and they should add more bases if that’s why there crying about Russia getting it then.
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And you dont see how this is impossible to have ingame right now?
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Grom 1 is incapable of taking out a base before any other jet takes the base they fired that.
F-15C beat the Grom launched from almost to the battlefield by 43 seconds.
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I apologize but you ->🤡 adding more base will not fix the issue making bigger maps dose and also we still having gotten a new game mode OR an a rule game mode that makes 8V8s that was promised just a trash switch that makes it every 50 matches you get a single 12V12 match
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This is very true, however this can be very simply circumvented by having 2 people, one guy takes max fuel and just flies off to narnia, and the other uses the “rocket assisted glide bombs” to take the second and 3rd and so on base spawns. I can see people J’ing out when there are no bases and just spawning in when the bases respawn, tossing the bombs then J’ing out again. This way, or by some variation of it, you can effectively never engage the enemy, keep the game going with the guy afk flying and just take all the bases when the majority of your own team is dead. This isnt even talking about SIM, but SIM is already massively abusable anyway so it doesnt really change much. Maybe it might make it so that the active people are not able to free farm the PvE players so gaijin might change the rewards for specific actions instead of nerfing them as a whole. Just need to wait and find out.
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20% of rewards are locked behind landing in sim, and it’s genuinely faster to dumb bomb or JDAM bomb than even use JS-6 bombs as-is.
It’s also faster to laser bomb than glide bomb.
I play a lot of sim as bombers from BR 6 to top…
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Speed isnt really an issue if you have a REDACTED running the gameplay for you. And I’m pretty sure landing is part of what I mentioned earlier given you need to do it to re-arm.
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1 individual sortie is faster from takeoff to bombing point destruction.
It is not faster from takeoff to landing.
And as such it is not faster in the context of an entire EC match, with multiple sorties, further compounding the difference between the two.
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Let’s math my current run:
340m/s minimum speed inbound to a target.
Right now the longest distance I cross is about 90km.
So about 4 minutes 30 seconds to get there.
Bombs out, I return at an average speed of 410m/s, another 3 minutes 40 seconds after the turn around.
About 10 minutes round trip to deal say 4200 damage using napalm from my F-15. 420 damage per minute.
In order to deal that much damage with Grom 1, which has a filler equivalent of 264 per weapon 1584 total, I would have to have a round trip of less than 4 minutes.
Takeoff is 1 minute, landing is ~1 minute, turn around is at least 30 seconds, which leaves me 45 seconds of 350m/s… 15.7km… I’m not launching Grom 1s within that time frame.
I could get Grom 2s which deal ~2496 damage, and I can get more damage per minute.
I could go 4 Grom 2 + 3 UPAB-1500B for ~3776 damage. And I don’t have to dive from directly above the AF to drop napalm. Round trip with those is ~160km maximum. Going ~330 in, and ~400 out that’s a round trip ~9 minutes, or 419 damage per minute.
Grom 1s were never going to be on my radar as a sim bomber.
And for standard bases you just run dumb bombs cause that’s just outright faster than Grom 1s which can only frag one base at a time, and take far longer to destroy the base.
My F-15 will get to the shortest distance base 40 seconds faster than a Grom launched from nearly half way across the map, over 2 minutes if the Grom is launched closer to the airfield.
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This is all I needed to read to disregard your comment entirely. Hitting AFs doesn’t win EC, hitting the bombing points does. And 1 sortie of Grom-1s is enough to completely destroy a point.
Like usual you’re wrong and hilariously so.
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Good to know you disregard everyone that bombs bases & do general objectives.
I can disregard your posts since it’s obvious you don’t play sim.
Keep claiming stating that basic fact makes players wrong, all you do is prove those of us that play sim correct.
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It will get to 1 base faster, while being vulnerable to interception the entire time.
Taking just Grom-1s, min fuel, take off and accelerate to mach 1 pitch up and release all 6 at a mission target, then turn around and land will have significantly more sorties accomplished and targets destroyed in that time, genius.
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Who is this “us”?
On whose behalf do you speak?
Do you represent Sim community of WT?
Even I who don’t play Sim can see the issue of Grom 1s
Any base in 120km radius can be destroyed with ease
All the player had (past tense because it isn’t being added now) was get in firing distance of missiles, fire, land, rearm. Wash, rinse, repeat.
EDIT: Not to mention that it would absolutely demolish the balance in Ground RB…
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Nope, terrain following eliminates vulnerability.
Climbing to 10,000 meters in the center of the map to attempt to bomb a base someone else will bomb faster with dumb bombs is peak vulnerability.
So yeah, I won’t take you insulting the sim playerbase that I learned from in 2019 through present.
@TyphoonCro
Grom 1s are the slowest and most dangerous method of base and AF bombing in sim.
You are vulnerable to ARHs for over 2 minutes as you climb to gain altitude for the range, and there’s almost a guarantee it’s stolen by someone like me that terrain follows safe routes.
Ground RB already has Grom 1 type weapons: JDAMs and JS-6, soon to be more next update. No SPAA can engage JDAM carriers currently.
Oh, and us includes everyone.
The dude claims he can disregard my post cause I said doing objectives is what wins EC, a basic fact all sim players should know.
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@warthogboy09
I stated basic facts of simulator that thousands of sim players stated.
Objectives win matches, PVP not as much ticket drop.
Entirely destroying an airfield deals a hit, but organizing that is difficult.
Destroying all airfields is instant win.
I don’t understand how you could claim these are incorrect.
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u can carry i think the max is 8 of grom-1/2 and u can destroy 1 base with only 6 grom-1/2 it wouldn’t even brake the game tho and besides at least a good 90% of the player base would say 4-5 bases is to small now they should at least add 12-18 bases now in every match so then any won that want to bomb can still do it and it would make it so much fun then because if u know where all ur bases are u can intercept them too and 1 base isn’t that bad if could take out 2 bases then i would see ur point better tho but since its only 1 base it can destroy who cares just saying
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Thats honestly quite true, its more economical to actually just bring dumb bombs and bomb the base like a normal tactical bomber (wow, like what its supposed to do?). People whine about nothing these days and now we lose out on an interesting, fun, and unique weapon because the issue was overinflated to all hell.
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Exactly
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Pretty much.
“You could be intercepted!”
Yeah, there’s a chance someone climbs and can look over the hills between I and their spawns, the chance is low cause they’re likely terrain following as well for the same reason.
I can also be intercepted climbing to get a Grom shot at LONG range… in a game mode that’s notorious for airfield campers let alone people that look up at the sky for climbers.
One ARH and I’m gone, can’t dive fast enough to dodge it.
But yeah, overblown.
Fastest methods of doing objectives in sim, that’s what I’ve focused on as a player.
If I die after the objective? Okay, I respawn.
We risk interception no matter what tactic we do, and the tactics that puts ground between you and potential sources will be the safest objectively.
Last time I intercepted someone was F-4s when I was using a Yak-141. I went to the route I took the previous match as a bomber myself and lone behold there were 2 F-4s to intercept.
Sometimes routes are safe, sometimes the interceptor’s a bomber player that had a good hunch.
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So usless thing become even more usless can’t wait to hear about russian bias
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