I don’t care if other players play it, I just wish the matches would be more… unique? I just don’t want to fight the same thing every single match.
These stuff are pretty much exported everywhere in real life. However ahem F-16AJ ahem…
Gaijin likes sweden.
On ranks I-IV and air I-V probably yes because WWII era China barely had a military industry therefore importing almost everything and their aviation industry didnt begun to shine untill late 70s. Gaijin added them anyway for some reason…
On ranks IV onwards… are there actrually that much pure copy pastes? Most of them, as you said are implemented correctly, are or certain vehicles based off of historical events/people or with modifications based on the original.
Best solution of China is starting from rank IV at the beginning like israel but well the whole point of Gaijin adding China tree (from the tencent cilent to the “everyone” cilent) back in
is pretty much because it was near the
and Gaijin wanted all that Chinese player money… Winks
We all do.
This Mig-21 Bizon, as it is in real life, an aircraft modified heavily aswell not a copy paste.
Updated cockpit, new radar (Копё, iirc), fox 3 capabilities so on. Totally different except they looks probably similar…
Gaijin wants some bAlAnCe as I believe… No comment on this because i don’t want to get censored. ;)
Seeing the J-11A MLU on the leak list i feel the same especially they have plenty of unique alternative choices.
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I completely understand they are exported everywhere, but so were Hurricanes, are they in every tree? Nope. That’s not the point anyway, I wish gaijin would keep native to the countries they were developed in when possible, and make something like skins for the exported ones.
that’s a good point and I was corrected, but you see what I mean yeah?
wait was China added in 2019? gee I’m getting old
True, but like with the squadron vehicle MBT that’s Indian iirc I don’t want it in the tree. Same as the JAS-39, though then again Ii don’t knkow much about the MiG-21 Bizon so I guess I was wrong there.
a) The Shermans are exported to more opreators than the Hawker Hurricane.
b) The Hurricanes are currently in 3 trees ingame (UK, USSR, Sweden).
However I do want more Hurricanes though. I believe more fitting counterpart on this topic would be P-51 or the Spitfire; These aircrafts are largely exported aswell and ingame more trees includes them (6 trees has spitfires and thanks for gaijin’s battlepass copypaste spam, 7 trees now have P-51s). However I do hate brutal copy pastes… If there’s really no alternative like the Swede Konigstigre, fine. If there are plenty of alternatives and gaijin still insists on copy pastes… Well, [censored].
+1.
Yes. China has many unique modern vehicles that justifies its addition to the game. They could have very easily added the tree like they did Israel with an immediate skip to ~Rank IV where it starts producing actual unique vehicles.
But would it not be better suited for the Russian TT?
It is ultimately a Mig-21. Considering the dozen or so alternatives Britain could get (including aircraft britain actually used). Its just insane to add this to our TT. It’s also probably going to be totally DOA
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There is a case for copy paste vehicles in other tech trees but Gaijin really exaggerated. And I think most people are absolutists regarding this. Either entierely pro or entirely anti.
Your argument about not fighting your own stuff is legitimate. I also find it as a former Israel main to be a serious problem that Gaijin made it 90% copy paste, when even a tree just half that size but almost entirely unique vehicles, would be a much better experience. Because Gaijin doesn’t just do one stage of copy paste, but they take already copied vehicles and then copy them harder. Case in point - Magach line.
iirc the Russians has their Mig-21-93 as better candidate.
Perhaps Gaijin adding an India aircraft is because they want, y’know, the India money? :thinking:
Also it will be great if you can list alternative choises Britain has since I don’t know much about it.
12.3+ ARH Carrier:
- Saudi Arabian Tornado F3 (would need to double check they had AMRAAM)
- Indian Sea Harrier FRS51
- RAF BAE Hawk (could be anywhere from 9.0-12.0+)
11.0+
- Saudi Arabian Tornado Gr1
- (Saudi Arabian Tornado F3 without AMRAAM)
- RAF Harrier Gr5
- RAF Jaguar GR3A
- (Other Indian Jaguars)
10.0+
- South African Mirage III
- South African Cheatah C or D
- TSR2
9.0+
- South African Buccaneer S50
- Omani or Singapore Hawker Hunter
Few more I’ve probably forgotten as well.
The point is. There is 0 need to add a Soviet aircraft to our TT. If they want to add more indian, fine, but at least add the Indian stuff we exported to them and not the stuff they imported from Russia.
probably, so they should add that and not add the Russian one at all.
Me too, they’re one of my favourite planes, but I want them unique. That’s all I’m asking, I’m not good at wording stuff but having like the same M4A4 in every tree is annoying, when you could add different versions, and where’s the M4A2E8? M4A3 75? I’m not 100% sure who got what I just want more unique stuff.
Even I’m against that, I see the premise of it, but they could have made it something more… interesting? Or even mixing the battlepass with the Norwegians and Fins instead to open up stuff.
correct, I have been corrected
I personally think that this is the best solution, but too late now right?
Exactly my argument.
I heard it might be a premium, if it is, yes I will fork over the $120 to buy the damn thing, but that’s just because I love both the British tree and MiG-21s. Does NOT mean I want it in the tree. All for adding it to Russia though!
I mean couldn’t Britain get an early EF Typhoon prototype?
yes… but why not add to Russia? I know your point about the MiG-21-93 but more people want to grind USSR so wouldn’t it generate more money?
I main the big 3 but for me small nations are about being unique and copy paste kills that to a degree and I would rather accept the gaps but then I am not Italian or Chinese. Maybe copy paste is preferable to having outrageous mixed eras though.
As someone who mainly plays Britain, Italy, and Japan, I can say I would rather not have copy pastas throughout the tree and would rather have large gaps, especially since it’s mostly experienced players playing these countries and don’t need to go through another 6 shermans
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I’ve heard this too, But leak list flip flop between both. Premium is where im expecting. But considering its been 18 months since the F4JUNK. I was hoping for an actually usable premium that i would want to buy. But I wouldnt buy the mig-21. If I wanted it. i would play the Russian TT.
What Britain really needs in my opinion is a really good premium CAS aircraft .Something like the Harrier Gr5. Basically a Gr7 but with 9Ls, so can sit a little lower in BR. Would be great fun. Other options could be the Saudi Tornado IDS. Good CAS/SL printer as well from that.
Another A2A, that really isnt going to be that competitive at its BR. Is just gunna suck. Not too mention the TKs. Plenty of aircraft i fly, that would likely encounter this thing, doesnt have radar. Like the Harrier Gr7 or future Harrier Gr9A. In Sim. I will always fire at a mig-21 silhouette. So if you are in this thing… Not my fault.
I wouldnt want it as a premium, but I think if the leaks are right. US and USSR are getting Typhoon equivalents this update
Oh no not ever as a premium, I don’t agree with jet premiums at all (yes I know I buy them), but it would be preferable to any MiG-21. Premium or not.
If they had AMRAAM then please consider I’m on your side.
My opionion is that these subsonics with fox 3s, i.e. shit airframe with meta missiles at a relatively weird BR their count should be reduced to as few as possible.
For the other aircrafts you post I would say alright as long as they are technologically originated from Britain/South Africa and/or are produced in the UK (and South Africa, since it is a subtree). i.e. The Tornadoes, Harriers, Jaguars, that Hunter, the Buccaneer and of course the TSR.2, however I would say I personally oppose the Mirage III SAAF since it is technically a French aircraft. Basically same standard for the Russian made Mig-21, eh? (Same to that T-90S but it’s already ingame so we basically can’t do much about it now)
Consider I have the same view as long as there are better candidates. ;)
Yeah. Sea harrier FA2 likely this update. Which should be pretty decent if its the right BR. But I see Typhoon this year. Any later and we are back to 2023 levels of DOA at top tier
Yeah, it’s definitely been more noticeable in recent years including the battlepass vehicles, new premiums and sub-tech trees with the most likely confirmed new Benelux tree coming for France no doubt. This is starting to get really out of control and playing major nations doesn’t even feel unique anymore in battles at certain BRs at this point.
Exported vehicles are realistic and can be added to fill missing gaps for minor nations which is nice
but I feel if there is a really different and close vehicle counterpart there is for a certain missing gap it definitely should be added over just the same vehicle with just a different camouflage.
Just fyi I believe the swede premium sherman is an M4A3 75. (I don’t know much but i guess it is an M4A3 hull with 75mm gun)
Overpricing, although serious, is pretty much a Gaijin issue.
I would like the EAP since it’s pretty unique, however I do not know if its combat performance are OP or too bad…
Gaijin will get both the Russian and India money by adding both aircrafts easily lol
Yep, I agree. Mirage III was more of an honourable mention (as South africa is a full Sub-TT not this wierd CW third-Sub-TT-but-isnt-really-on-the-TT then anything they actually operated would be reasonable) . its also a BR we are a tad weak at.
But yeah. Plenty of aircraft to choose from that Britain did actually export.
Honestly… Sea Harrier FA2 will outperform the Mig-21. Sea Harrier FRS51 is worse than the FA2, but probably about equal to the Mig-21. The FA2 has more missiles, better radar, better acceleration and climb rate. Heck I’ve beaten plenty of Mig-21s in dogfights in the FRS1 and the FA2 has the better engine, meaning it would be even easier.
Vs F-15Cs, F-16Cs and Gripens would struggle, but so will most BVR trucks at that BR.
I’d need to double check. I think they retired them in 2006, so its possible there was overlap. britian starting upgrading them with AMRAAM in 1998 ish
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