oh okay then
So I am assuming you are proposing an unprecedented addition into the game? Since as far as I know, not a single subtree nation currently have more than one top tier vehicle (not Finland, not South Africa).
To be fair you never add all options at once. The game lives from having vehicles that aren’t yet in game, so having options is just about the most important thing for a techtree.
All existing subtrees have the option for additions that players can look forward to, that they keep playing the game for and that they keep playing the techtree for.
As for the amount of top tier vehicles per subtree, I don’t think there is any fixed guideline. South Africa and Hungary none yet, while Finland has two. And keep in mind that none of these subtrees is done, they will keep getting vehicles in future updates.
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Finland has two, the 2A6 and ITO 90M (not part of the Finnish line and added in a previous update, but still from a ‘subtree nation’). The Hungarian Leopard and Lynx were both top rank when implemented., though not sure if that qualifies them as top tier.
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For what it’s worth, South Africa has one for air forces in the JAS39C, and it’s been arguably the most game-impactful one to date (While ITO and 2A6 are competitive top tiers, the relative leap in performance of the UK air forces from the Gripen being provided was greater than the addition of the 2A6 was to Sweden).
Whether or not one supports the Thai VT-4, I will say it certainly counts as a double standard to pretend that top-tier subtree content that is present outside of the native faction does not exist, and it’s especially ironic given the VT-4’s nature as an export vehicle.
I don’t personally consider it a vital addition in a broader sense, especially if the Oplot-T is up as a candidate, but I’m also not against it due to the standards the game has already, and would again refrain from closing doors on arbitrary double standards. There may be other arguments as to why it would not belong, but the argument about top tier gating is nonsense as it does not reflect on the rest of the game.
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Missing Little Fella, P-64 and how it nearly got to Thailand.
If you look at the infographic for 2024 Children Day’s static show, you will notice a little plane that, despite having not been used by Thai Airforce, makes an appearance on the Children Day’s show. I am talking of, of course, the North American P-64.
The story of how North American P-64 nearly got itself into Thai service is an interesting one. In short, P-64, initially called NA-68 before being pressed into American service, was the fighter plane that Thailand brought from US prior to the Franco-Thai war. The order of purchasing was later canceled by the US as Thailand began its military operations against French Indochina with the fear that Thailand might use the purchased NA-68 against France in the Indochina, causing Thailand to look for alternative fighters, resulting in the purchasing of Ki-30, Ki,-21, and Ki-27.
NA-68 with Thai marking readied to be sent to Thailand before the cancelation
As of currently, the displaying P-64 in Thailand are the recreation made through the utilization of T-6 Texan training craft components.
Thai “P-64”, “Hanuman”, shown in the 2024 Children Day Static Show, Don Muang Airport.
References:
เครื่องบินขับไล่แบบ P-64 (NA-68) และ A-27 (NA-69) ของกองทัพอากาศไทยที่มาไม่ถึงเมืองไทย | “รัชต์ รัตนวิจารณ์” ท้าวทองไหล (rach1968.blogspot.com)
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Well depending on wether china gets the M1A2T then well it would be more or less fair if this were to come to japan that japan would get the VT-4
Just my honest opinion
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I’d certainly not be against it, but I don’t think a Thai VT-4 for Japan is contingent on an M1A2T for China, the precedence set by the game already qualifies both, and how fair one or another may be is not conditional upon each other.
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Yesterday, January 18th, was a Royal Thai Armed Forces Day.
On this day in the year 1592, King Naraesuan the Great led his army against the invasion force led by the Crown Prince Of Burma, resulting in the victory of King Naraesuan after the battle on the elephants’ backs between the two.
Emblem of Suphan Buri Province depicting the event
The artwork depicting the event
Interestingly enough, the record of this battle also mentions the involvement of around 500 Japanese mercenaries on the side of King Nareasuan, making it the oldest record/chronicle that mentions Japanese people in Thai history.
Under the employment of Ayutthaya Kingdom, Japanese mercenaries and traders were valued for their martial prowess and trading skills. Among many Japanese, the adventurer named Yamada Nagamasa volunteered himself to the Ayutthaya Army and rose to the rank of nobility within the short period of time, valued for his martial and leadership skills.
An image of Lord Yamada Nagamasa’s Japanese Army under the employment of Ayutthaya Kingdom flying Hinomaru flag
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Im not sure if this is the right place to put it but I think this ship would be a pretty good and interesting premium naval vessel if SEA does indeed go as some sort of a sub collection of nations headed by Thailand.
Introducing
BRP Rajah Humabon / JDS Hatsuhi / USS Atherton
Cata Raya Chita!
BRP Rajah Humabon / JDS Hatsuhi / USS Atherton
Cata Raya Chita!
US Navy Service
One of the last World War II era ships to ever been decommissioned. DE-169 or USS Atherton is a Cannon-Class Destroyer Escort laid down in January 14, 1943. She was first sent for ASW patrol duties around the waters of the Caribbean and then was transferred to Task Force 62 for escort duties for transatlantic convoys. It was with this that she earned her famous kill when she destroyed U-853 close to Rhode Island using depth charge attacks with the newly developed Hedgehog mortars. This was credited as the sinking of the last German submarine attack in American waters in WW2.
Before being decommissioned, her crew received these awards:
- American Campaign Medal with one battle star
- European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal
- Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal
- World War II Victory Medal
- Navy Occupation Medal with “ASIA” clasp
JMSDF Service
Post-war she was decommissioned and transferred as a loan to the newly formed JMSDF as the JDS Hatsuhi (DE-263) in 1955 to bolster its capabilities while the ships of the JMSDF were still being built under the terms of the Mutual Defense Assistance Program. She was joined with JDS Asahi (USS Amick / BRP Datu Sikatuna) where they both served until being decommissioned from JMSDF service in 1975.
Philippine Navy Service
Remained laid-up in Japan, she was transferred to the Philippine government on 13 September 1976 and was Transferred as an Excess Defense Article on 23 December 1978. She was then towed to South Korea where she received an extensive refit and modernization in 1979 and was then commissioned as BRP Rajah Humabon (PF-6) classifying it as a frigate under the new Philippine Navy Standards. She served as the backbone of the Philippine Navy with her sister ship BRP Rajah Sikatuna where she served as the Navy’s flagship. She served until 1993 but was recalled and overhauled back into service in 1996 with a new hull number (PF-11) where she served until being decommissioned in March 15, 2018. Planned to be placed as a museum ship, she was sadly sunk during a storm on October 30, 2022.
Cannon Class Specs Drawing based on sister ship USS Swearer (DE-186)
Specifications
Now the specs and armaments of the ship vary mostly in 2 overall stages. Before and After its overhaul and refit in 1979 with more minor refits during its recommissioning in 1996. As such I will split this section in 2 main parts.
JDS Hatsuhi
PRE-1979 Refit
Displacement
- 1,390 tons standard
- 1,620 tons full load
Length
Propulsion
- 4 × GM Mod. 16-278A diesel engines with electric drive, 6,000 shp (4,474 kW), 2 screws
Speed
- 21 knots (39 km/h; 24 mph)
Range
- 10,800 nmi (20,000 km) at 12 kn (22 km/h; 14 mph)
Armament
- 3 × Mk.22 3-inch/50-caliber guns
- 1 × quad 1.1" AA gun
- 8 × 20 mm Mk.4 AA guns
- 3 × 21-inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes
- 1 × Hedgehog Mk.10 anti-submarine mortar (144 rounds)
- 8 × Mk.6 depth charge projectors
- 2 × Mk.9 depth charge tracks
BRP Rajah Humabon
POST-1979 Refit
Displacement
- 1,240 long tons (1,260 t) standard
- 1,620 long tons (1,646 t) full
Length
Propulsion
- 2 × GM-EMD 16-645E7 (Turbo) Main Diesel Engines, 2 x GM-EMD 8-268A Auxiliary Diesel Engines, 1 x GM-EMD 3-268A Auxiliary Diesel Engine combined output of 300 kW, 2 x screws
Speed
- 18 knots maximum sustained
- 21 knots top speed
Range
- 10,800 nmi (20,000 km) at 12 kn (22 km/h; 14 mph)
Armament
- 3 × Mk.22 76mm U.S. 3"/50 Caliber Guns
- 3 × Mk.1 Mod.2 Twin Bofors 40mm L/60 Autocannons
- 6 × Mk.10 Oerlikon 20mm Autocannons
- 4 × M2 Browning .50 Caliber Machine Guns
Sensors and Processing Systems
How will it function in-game?
There have been multiple proposals for the Canon Class Destroyer Escorts to be placed in the game as 3.7 Destroyers, I think it should be the same or upped to a max of 4.3. HTMS Pinklao, another Cannon-Class Sister ship was part of the proposed Thailand Naval Subtree as a coastal ship without a precise BR so it can go either Coastal or Bluewater as long as its the same BR.
What I envision it in the game however is to be some sort of prototype to give developers a feel if they should implement dynamic BR based on installed modifications (and dynamic vehicles based on installed modifications as well). If the player chooses to remove the radar and sensor suite, in exchange of having ASW weaponry, and inferior AA guns - players could play it as a 3.7 destroyer but if it chooses to have the radar and sensory suite, in exchange for not having ASW weaponry, and superior AA guns, they could get the vehicle upped in BR to 4.0. Whatever modifications were chosen though could also change the name of the ship with it either being the JDS Hatsuhi or BRP Rajah Humabon.
Why post it in the Siam-Thailand Lineups for Japanese Tech Tree?
From my perspective, the reason why the ship is interesting is because it was part of the JMSDF and THEN became a part of the Philippine Navy. Japan has no need for this ship in its tech tree as it has far more superior ships but this interesting tidbit makes it enough as something of like a “collector’s vehicle”. Why in the Thailand proposal you may ask? Well as mentioned earlier, HTMS Pinklao is already part of the proposed naval subtree and this is a perfect sidegrade with the regular tech tree version. Thailand also has the best chance of being a gateway to introduce Southeast Asian vehicles and why not start it with something that is both interesting and actually once served with the Japanese Navy?
More Photos:
USS Atherton
* USS Moberly conducts a Hedgehog attack on U-853, USS Atherton in distance. HH-NH48872*
JDS Hatsuhi in another angle
BRP Rajah Humabon Decommissioning
BRP Rajah Humabon partly submerged in its dock after Typhoon Paeng
Sources:
https://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2022/11/1/Philippine-Navy-BRP-Rajah-Humabon.html
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What are your thoughts on potentially adding the RVNAF A-1J/H Skyraiders to the Thai subtree? 4 aircraft did land on the Royal Takhli Air Base in Thailand but were never once used by the RTAF. Here are some pictures:
A-1J Skyraider in RTAF Museum in 2012
Vietnamese Air Force Douglas A-1 Skyraiders after landing at U-Tapao Royal Thai Navy Airfield, Thailand
The aircraft on display represents Captain Ronald Smith’s A-1H The Proud American (Serial Number 52-139738) as it appeared during his SAR mission in June 1972 as part of the 1st Special Operations Squadron, Nakhon Phanom (NKP) Royal Thai Air Force Base, Thailand.
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I’d say if they were ready for use in Thai inventory, they can be added. But if they are exclusively museum pieces I’m not so sure.
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I mean they all ended up as museum pieces if I am correct but at the same time - RTAF couldve easily made use of the RVAN Skyraiders just as the Philippine Navy ended up owning a lot of the RVAN Fleet. Its just that the RTAF doesnt really have any need for the skyraider when they already have much modern planes like the Cessna Dragonfly and AT-6 Texan.
The Royal Thai Armed Forces were heavily involved in the Vietnam War though and allowed US forces to use their air bases. Thailand sent the 3rd largest provider of ground forces in the Vietnam War with the RTAVF.
Might work as a future battlepass or premium though.
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I’m impressed by this ship. And it would be interesting to have such ships come together in a Japanese tree. Since it had served in the JMSDF and the history of this ship, it reminded me of the HTMS Nakha that had served in the JMSDF called JDS Himawari.
USS LCS(L)(3)-102 / JDS Himawari. / HTMS Nakha at Vallejo, California, 2007
As for the matter of the A-1J Skyraider, I have to consider this matter first. Because these planes were among the planes that escaped into Thailand at the end of the Vietnam War. Only in history related to Thailand is the tail of these planes written with the symbol of the king cobra. Which is the symbol of Wing 4, due to international political reasons and Thailand does not use this aircraft. before being gradually taken out of Thailand to the United States
king cobra symbol on the tail of the plane
As for the A-1J Skyraider at the RTAF Museum, it is an airplane that was in an accident in 1968 at Udon Thani. It was then displayed at Nakhon Phanom Air Base until the United States Armed Forces moved out in 1975. The United States gave it to the Air Force and then we brought it. Set up at the Royal Thai Air Force Museum in 1979.
A-1J Skyraider in Nakhon Phanom Air Base (Before move to RTAF Museum)
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In celebration of the battle pass “Airborne General”, I would like to talk about one of Thai light tanks with Airborne capability, designed with air transportation in mind. The tank in question is, of course, Commando Stingray by Textron Marine & Land Systems, formerly Cadillac Gage.
Commando Stingray, Made In USA, Used By Thailand
During 80s, Royal Thai armed forces sought to replace its aging M41 Walker Bulldogs fleets with newer tanks. Among the several competitors, there were 2 main interesting proposals: Thyssen-Henschel TH-301 and Cadillac Gage Commando Stingray.
TH-301 during testing in Thailand
In the end, despite several interesting offers from Thyssen-Henschel, from technology transfer to exporting rights, Cadillac Gage Commando Stingray won the competition and 106 Stingrays were purchased and put into service of Royal Thai army, making Thailand the one and only user of Commando Stingray to this day.
A Stingray tank at Cobra Gold 2019 exercise
If you want to learn more about its story and specification, I recommend video “The Light Tank No One Talks About” By Spookston about the story of Stingray Light Tank The Light Tank No One Talks About - YouTube
References and more picture at:
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F-16. net on Thai F-16A OCUs seems like they can carry AMRAAMS, GBUs, Mavs, Python 3s and of course AIm-9s
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Thailand F-16 MLU
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/thailand-f-16-mid-life-upgrade
IRIS-T integration
https://m.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.595361387204906.1073741871.172244062849976&type=3
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I need to see this.
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The Thai Veterans DayToday in Thailand is Veterans Day on February 3 every year. War Veterans Organization and veteran families off-duty military and those who are performing their duties in maintaining national security will jointly organize a wreath laying ceremony at the Victory Monument To pay homage to the spirits of these brave warriors. There was also a parade ceremony in honor at the multi-purpose area. 11th Infantry Regiment, Chamberlain Ratchawallop, His Majesty’s Guard as well.
Victory Monument
Laying a wreath on Veterans Day
Today, I would like to present an interesting history of battles during the franco-thai war for you to see today.
Battle of Phumi Préav
Major General Luang Phibunsongkhram Decorated with the Victory Medal for Major Khunnimmanakloyuth.
The 3rd Infantry Battalion has Major Khun Nimmanakalut as the battalion commander. He led the soldiers under his command to seize and defend the territory. On the east side, it borders with Cambodia. along the boundary markers 43 to 46 and penetrated into French Indochina Since December 23, 1940
3rd Infantry Battalion was ordered to lead soldiers according to orders to seize Ban Phrao on January 13, 1941, when they led the army to move to Ban Phrao. and traces of an Indochina military camp were detected. and found a plot on the Indochina side to attack the Thai forces.
From examining the topography in front of the line, it was determined that it was more appropriate. Therefore, he requested permission to move his forces from their original location another 4 kilometers to base themselves at Huai Yang.
In the early morning hours of January 16th. The Indochina troops deployed 1 regiment, consisting of 3 battalions, to attack and destroy the 3rd Infantry Battalion under the command of Major Khun Nimmana Kloyuth at Ban Phrao by setting up an attack base at Huai Yang. Because they thought that Thai soldiers were at home in Phrao. and did not know that our side had changed its strategy.
Thai army with Type77 Machine Gun
It was around 5:00 a.m. when the 5th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Battalion of the Indochina Division moved in formation along the route that our side had deployed. Calmly allow the enemy’s forward forces to pass beyond the battle line. When most of the force was in the killing area The signal for firing from the Type77 heavy machine gun from the Thai side began to open fire along with various firearms from the Thai side.
Type 76 Light Tank (Vickers 6 Ton)
When a clash occurred, Lt. Col. Sanit Hongprasong was assigned to command a combat vehicle platoon consisting of two Type 76 (6-ton Vickers) tanks, numbers 1116 and 1118, to move out to help the infantry counterattack. At the front of the line of Infantry Battalion 3, which was being heavily attacked by the enemy. Upon reaching the conflict area, Lt. Col. Sanit Hongprasong led a tank to attack the enemy and fired back with his vehicle’s guns until the enemy was defeated.
After the battle it was discovered that approximately 400 enemy soldiers had been killed and many were taken prisoner. They were also able to seize the unit’s Renault UE tanks. On the other side, one Thai soldier died and two others were injured in this battle.
Renault UE (Capturned)
Battle of Ko Chang
HTMS Thonburi
French naval power relied on darkness. and encroaching on speed on the south side of Koh Chang There were a total of 7 ships: 2 Lamotte-Pique cruisers, 4 sloops, and when the Leo 130 took off and detected a Thai torpedo boat. (The Royal Ship Songkhla and the Royal Ship HMS Chonburi) before being opposed by anti-aircraft guns until they crashed. The French fleet then attacked both torpedo boats.
HTMS Songkhla
from the fire of a French Cruiser Both ships were damaged and sank. Later, Lieutenant Commander Luang Prom Veeraphan Commander of the HTMS Thonburi Ordered to withdraw anchor and move ships to battle stations. and ordered the HTMS Nong Sarai and HTMS Tiew Utok, which were small boats, to withdraw.
At 6:38 a.m.HTMS Thonburi encountered the French fleet and exchanged fire with Lamotte-Pique at a distance of 10,000 metres. The battle became more intense as French sloops approached. They joined in the battle and shot the Royal Thonburi ship as well.
The navy helped put out the fire that was burning on the HTMS Thonburi ship.
Shells from the Lamotte-Pique hit the bridge and exploded. causing the commander of the HTMS Thonburi as well as several officers to be killed and seriously injured. As a result, command, communication, and control are disrupted. The steering system is damaged and cannot be controlled.
As a result of the shooting, a large fire started on the HTMS Thonburi ship. But the soldiers on the Thai boat continued to fire and fight. By switching targets to the three French ships. When the steering system is damaged The turret doesn’t work. (Thai soldiers had to use the method of turning the turret manually), making the HTMS Thonburi’s counterattack difficult. and fired a volley until the bullet hit the Lamotte-Pique Cruiser and was damaged.
French light cruiser Lamotte-Picquet
As a result of the shooting, a large fire started on the HTMS Thonburi ship. But the soldiers on the Thai boat continued to fire and fight. By switching targets to the three French ships. When the steering system is damaged The turret doesn’t work. (Thai soldiers had to use the method of turning the turret manually), making the HTMS Thonburi’s counterattack difficult. and fired a volley until the bullet hit the Lamotte-Pique Cruiser and was damaged.
The Thai side lost 3 warships, namely the HTMS Thonburi. Songkhla Royal Ship and the Royal Ship Chonburi A total of 36 soldiers died, divided into 20 soldiers aboard the HTMS Thonburi (including Captain Luang Prom Veeraphan) Commander of HTMS Thonburi as well), HTMS Songkhla 14 officers and HTMS Chonburi 2 officers for the French side. Even without losing any ships. But the Lamotte-Pique flagship was also heavily damaged. As for the number of soldiers who died and that injury Thai news reports do not know the exact number.
Bravery medal for the naval jack of HTMS Thonburi.
Battle of Nakhon Panom
Lieutenant Sanit Nuanmanee
On November 28, 1940 at 8:00 a.m., France sent a squadron to bomb Nakhon Phanom, Lt. Sanit Nuanmanee, who was currently stationed at Nong Khon Kwang Airport or Udon Thani Airport. Receiving orders to fly the Corsair V-93S, he intervened, Flight Sergeant Prayoon Sukumonchan acted as the rear gunner.
Corsair V-93S
After taking off, 5 Moran M.S.406 fighter planes were detected coming to intercept. So there was a clash with all 5 planes until 1 Moran plane was shot down. Later, two Hawk 3 fighter jets flew to help Lieutenant Sanit Nuanmanee and flew back to the Thai side safely.
Hawk III
Moran M.S.406
From the brave deeds of this first Thai air battle The Royal Thai Air Force therefore provides compensation. Flight Lieutenant Sanit Nuanmanee was promoted to the rank of Squadron Leader and received the Dushdi Mala Medal.
Dushdi Mala Medal (เหรียญดุษฎีมาลา)
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What vehicle is this
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