In celebration for the upcoming Battle Of The Atlantic event, I would like to talk a little bit about Thai Submarines; Matchanu-class submarines!
HTMS Matchanu
Thai interest in Submarine can be traced back to the time of Royal Siamese Navy but came into fruition when the warship-procurement project was approved by the parliament, leading to the commissioning submarines for Royal Thai Navy: HTMS Matchanu, HTMS Wirun, HTMS Sinsamut, and HTMS Phlai Chumphon, all of which were built by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.
After the end of WW2, as a part of the defeated, Japan was prohibited from producing military hardware, resulting in the shortage for Thai submarines, and alongside the failure of Thai Navy led Manhattan Rebellion, Thai Submarine squadron was disbanded and all 4 submarines were later scrapped.
As for Thai submarines, they are named after people with underwater powers in Thai literature. During World War 2, submarines were used in combat operations during the Franco Thai War, including escort missions to transport Marines ashore at Chanthaburi. reconnaissance of the bay and the search for the French fleet after the Koh Chang naval battle and during the Bombing of Bangkok, the Wat Liap power plant was damaged and unable to be used. Therefore, the generators from the 4 submarines are used to help generate electricity for the Lak Mueang - Thanon Tok tram line to serve the public.
General characteristics
Displacement : 374.5 ton (surfaced) 430 ton (submerged)
Length : 51.0 m
Beam : 4.10 m
Draught : 3.60 m
Speed : 15.7 knots (surfaced) 8.10 knots (submerged)
Propulsion 2 × 8-cylinder 1,100 hp (820 kW) diesel engines ,1 × 540 hp (400 kW) electric motor
Test Depth : 60 m
Range : 4,770 mi
Complement : 5 officers & 28 crew
Armament : * 1 × 76/25 mm Naval gun, 1 × 8-mm Lewis gun, 4 × 450-mm A.K. torpedo tubes
Many of these old camouflage patterns are beautiful. Both on the uniform (ELRD หรือตองอ่อน ตองแก่) and the camouflage color of the vehicle. But for the ROTC uniform, I think the green HBT cloth uniform that is commonly worn is pretty.
I do understand your concern. As stated at the beginning of the discussion; If the representation of Chinese Vehicles in Thai sub-tech tree under Japanese tech tree is unacceptable and causes quite a concern for those who deem it as offensive, I won’t ask for those vehicles (Chinese vehicles) to be included under Thai sub-tech tree, but to appear in Chinese Tech Tree as its premiums.
I am grateful for your input and opinion, here is Thai VT-4
On December 11, 1944, 9 USAF P-51s and 7 P-38s conducted an Air raid on Thai-Japanese Northern airbases and supply lines from the Allied bases in Yunan, southern China, forcing the outnumbered Thai pilots to take off 5 of their Ki-27 to the fight above the sky of Lampang.
According to the Thai source, outnumbered Thai pilots were able to down around 4 P-51s. On the contrary, the US Source stated that there was only a single P-51 downed as a result of the raid.
I hope to see perfect trees in Thailand soon, but cars imported from China will certainly not be acceptable to some people. However, what exactly does it mean to bring up history and politics and deny it? Look at Finland (Swedish tree) and Russia, France and Germany. I’m just making a fuss about C&P (lol)
I think these vehicles should be just as acceptable as the Chinese Ki-43 is for example.
However under the condition that China also receives their own vehicles, ideally sooner, but if not at least the same update as Thailand.
I also think it would be strage to copy the best Chinese vehicles. So if, for example, the VT-4 would be added China should receive or already have the VT-4A1.
Other than that I see no issue with these additions compared to for example Russian vehicles spread to western trees like Sweden or Britain, or even the US vehicles in the predominantly PRC top ranks of the Chinese tree.
So as long as the addition is done fairly, the Chinese vehicles used by Thailand should not be an issue.
Which is irrelevant since these are export vehicles in service with Thailand. Why would export vehicles not be added when everyother nations export equipment is in other nations not to mention that China themselves use Japanese equipment why should they be special?
China should get those vehicles yes but if Thailand is added to Japan there is no reason to not add them as part of Thailand service equipment.
I really like this idea (including the Koh Chang Naval Battle). Let’s talk about many battlefields in Thailand that can be used to make maps as well, such as
Just the 5-hour Invasion of Thailand by Japanese alone can be translated into at least 3 maps already, 2 Ground maps and one Air map.
Chumphon
Similar to Normandy, the map is consisted of the beach half and the Urban/field half. On December 8th, 1941, IJA 55th division landed and formed the perimeter on the beach of Chumphon before getting into the firefight with the Thai Armed forces and police forces. After hours of fighting, the fight ended after the Thai government decided to sign an armistice as well as military alliance treaty.
Battle of Prachuap Khiri Khan
The home of the Royal Thai Air Force’s Fifth Wing, on the same day as battle of Chumpon, 143rd Infantry Regiment of IJA landed on the Ao Manao beach and engaged with the local armed forces before laying the siege to the airfield. The siege and resistance lasted until the mid-day when the armistice and military alliance between Japan and Thailand were signed.
The Japanese air force attacked Don Muang Royal Thai Air Force Base, which was defended by the Thai air force. The Thais lost six fighter planes to a numerically superior Japanese force. -Wiki on Japanese invasion of Thailand
Image of the bombing of Bangkok by the Allied force later during the war
I’m not sure about the weapons that are installed on the H-34 all the way up to the S-58T. because RTAF used H-34 and S-58T as a tactical air transport helicopter, used in search and rescue operations.
I hope not, because it would rob the opportunity for the newcomers or those who haven’t gotten the F-16AJ yet from obtaining it.
By the way, there’s one thing that I would love to know regarding Gaijin implementing new vehicle; Do they have to ask for the nations or the manufacturers for their consents/licenses? Like, Idk much about the inner working, but dealing with the governments must be quite a hassle, not including the “cut” some governments might ask for having their vehicles in War Thunder. Sometimes, I wonder if the reason why the packs/premium vehicles are quite expensive is because they have to share their revenue with the license owners or the gov’t owning the rights to those vehicles, albeit they might be the copy and paste from other tech trees.
