No does not deserve 10.0 for such slow firing rate cannon and poor post-pen damage, it would be fine at 9.0 considering the current ground BR.
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When this thing was first released it was stupidly under tiered, and simply ruin entire matches. I don’t feel even slightly sad that it’s now suffering.
THE PUMA IFV IS INSANE | Extremely Survivable 30mm Auto-Cannon Poetry
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Has no business being at the same BR with BMP2M, if their missiles weren’t such dogshit nowadays the other 10.0 IFVs would also be worth mentioning. I’d say it can stay at 10.0 but a lot of other vehicles should go up
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Thats not an excuse to keep it in the terrible state its in right now with being inferior to every other IFV ingame, at the very minimum it should recieve Spikes and an option to remove MUSS then it can be 10.3 and in an actual lineup either that or have it be moved down to 9.3/9.7 In its current state. the PUMA is one of many vehicles that used to shitstomp everything and got either nerfed into oblivion or thrown up to a ridiculous br, like the Hunter F.6 or just forgotten in general like the Yak-23/30.
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Give it spikes and call it a day
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I’ll prefer HOT-3. (SACLOS, tandem charge, 1000+mm of pen.)
But HOT ain’t been attached to Puma, when Spike was.
Is this why my R3 T20 is at 6.0 instead of 5.0/5.3, where it should be?
On release it jammed ALL atgms, regardless of control method. There were also a lot of tanks that would still get HEAT only until teir 2-3 mods at 9.0. Now a lot of those tans have kinetic options.
Not really it jammed the same ones as it does today, it is just that the kind that it can are usually found at lower tiers, kornets and similar werent affected by it
No
It is not even fit for 9.0 until it is fixed.
Revisionist history. On release it would jam ACLOS ATGMs also. It took them 3 months to revise the list of weapons that were jammed. Not only that, they significantly nerfed the range the jamming would happ en. look up the early videos of helis firing at the other side of a map and having their atgms sent into narnia because a puma was somewhere on the map. There is a reason people were getting nukes in top teir when it came out then it went to mediocre status when it was upteired.
I could see the arguement its worse than other 10.0 or 10.3 IFVs, but really only slilghtly worse and knowing how dogshit anything below 10.3 is in the MM for germany I really dont see the point in moving up or down.
Not being 10.3 is certainly advantageous to not see 11.3 but going to 9.7 or 9.3 even isn’t really gonna help much.
Id say even giving it spikes and making 10.3 would unironically make it worse in the grand scheme of what german have access too already having a spike ifv at 10.3.
Aclos ? If you mean saclos then they are still affected, but like before this afect to some of them not all just, thing like tow 2 are immune, i-tow or lower are affected, this is also the case with many others.
Btw helicoper missiles are not affected because the ones with missiles that can be jammed are no so prevalent at 10.0, but you can still throw of a shturm from a hind or an ataka from a mi 28a
https://wiki.warthunder.com/Active_protection_systems
I think it could come down to 9.7 but that’s the lowest. The vehicle does pretty well and when the S1 is added and gets its MELLS and improved soft-kill APS, it could be 10.3-10.7.