Yes absolutely, especially since if there are planes that can fill the gap between 11.0 and 12.0, the number of planes that can be added between 12.0 and 12.3 is much lower (technically we could add all the Mirage 2000 variants but it is not very diverse)
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Makes me curious how many I represented with the Mirage 2000D-RMV 😿
Probably a large part, the planes of this Br (2000 C S4, C S5, D R1 and D RMV are almost not played), everyone rushes to the top tier but does not take the time to play these planes which are (in my opinion) the most interesting of the tree
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Currently, as the game sits right now, we have 3 nearly identical aircraft all occupying the same BR, with the same playstyle, and the same primary loadout options.
Moving the currently ingame F1C down by removing the M2s grants a level of variety without the addition of another copy past airframe.
Yes, the CT might move up, Yes, not everyone can afford the C200, Yes this would make the C200 better than the tech tree C, but still worst than the current CT.
adding a C Early is a viable option, but, again, at best its foldered with the current C, making that airframe even more irrelevent, or at worst, the F1C earlys gets placed before, adding to the grind overall.
Keeping parity between tech tree and premium aircraft is not a priority for the company, sometimes it happens, other times the premiums are upgrades to the techtree variants. the F-4s is better than the J, the 21 Lazur-M is better than the SAU, the A-5C is better than the Q-5s.
We could have increased variety in the tree by moving the current F1C down, and later, if a gap does happen to exist add an F1E or M to take the place of the current F1C, which could add a more unique airframe to the tech tree instead of what an F1C Early would provide. This option gets the same intent of the F1C Early, without retaining the problem of the 1C/C200 being identical.
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Technically it is normal that the Mirage F1 C and the F1 C 200 are identical.
An early Mirage F1 C would bring more diversity than removing the Magic 2 from the current aircraft. Indeed, the idea is that the early version would not have the S530s either and would instead be put in a folder with the Mirage IIIs because they would be closer in terms of both Br and armament.
Regarding the addition of a “copy and paste” aircraft, unfortunately we already have all the possible French aircraft models (the only one we don’t have yet would be the Mirage IV), it is normal that the next aircraft that will be added are variants of those we already have
For the other variants, why add export versions when we don’t have all the French variants yet? (Besides, I just realized that adding an F1 CR could potentially fill the gap between the III E and the F1 C)
So if im understanding you correctly, you want to add another F1C to the game, making 4 copies of the same airframe in order to have 1 at a lower BR.
I personally would rather see 1 of the 3 (2 identical) airframes change, and then if a holw opens up, add a unique version for the F1 to fill it.
Neither solution is wrong, but I personally would like to limit the amount of direct copies of airframes (C and C200) in game, and as such believe that the F1C should have its Magic 2s removed to achieve this goal, while also opening the door for further F1 varients, French or Export. I doubt that we would get these if they would be the 5th version of the same airframe in a tree.
That’s it. The idea is to have an early F1C in 11.0 or 11.3, and the other 3 variants in 12.0 while waiting for possible new technologies/additions in the game (my bug report for the addition of PHIMAT was accepted for the aircraft, which would perhaps already raise some of the aircraft to Br depending on those to which they are added).
Limiting the number of identical airframes would mean no longer adding aircraft to the game for France above 10.0. Currently, we only have variants left to add (Moreover, the export F1s are copies of those already in the game with only changes to the armament, the only “original” variant that remains would be the MF2000).
I understand your desire to remove the Magic 2 but personally, not being able to freely play a plane that historically used it would annoy me (I know that for many the F1CT is identical but it will always remain the ground attack variant and that’s how I use it.)
Otherwise another problem I see is that bringing the Mirage F1 down to Br while leaving it with the Super 530s would make it particularly powerful, the latest changes have really made the radar and missile guidance good, which if put in 11.7 or 11.3 would make it too much of a threat
thanks for the pic but the second one are defitively magic 1 (they lack the slit on their back fins and got one painted line instead of the two you would find on the magic 2) and the first one are test one, so inert missiles. Looking back at the timelines between the conversion of CR, CT and the phasing out of the mirage F1C in profit of the mirage 2000 and the late introduction of the magic 2 in the life of the mirage F1C i m starting to doubt a mirage F1C pre C200 would have even used magic 2 in operation
It’s possible for the image, I must admit that the source was not very precise, on the other hand the test missile is with real payload, this image was taken during the real tests of the Magic 2.
As for the use of the Magic 2 in operations, it would seem that the classic Mirage F1 C was never deployed in a combat zone, which makes it difficult to know if they used the Magic 2 elsewhere than in training. The first conflicts he saw began in 83 in Chad so only the F1C 200 was used.
On the other hand, not all Mirage F1Cs were transformed into F1C 200s. For example, the 2/30 Normandie Niemen, which operated them, had some of these aircraft in F1C 200s deployed in Djibouti, while the other part was in F1Cs in France (not a lot of aircraft). Both versions remained in service for the same length of time and were withdrawn from service at the same time
EDIT : My mistake, the 2/30 was using classic F1 C in Djibouti in 1990
French Mirage F1C air police mission at Djibouti (1990)
And the 4/30 Vexin was using both as the same time
French Mirage F1C in action at Djibouti (1990)
the reason i was trying to find picturse of magic 2 in used by mirage F1C was because, while looking at the neuneu site, i noticed that their mirage F1C got turned into mirage F1CT was in 92, only 4 years after the official adoption of the magic 2 by the french army. knowing how great our logistic is, I wouldn t be surprised that their magic 2 stock fully remplaced the m550 after their whole mirage F1C were turned into CT
Yes, that’s a bit of a problem: the introduction of the M2s and the retirement of the M1s took place over time, so it’s difficult to know when they were reissued/equipped in the squadrons.
I still imagine that the F1Cs in Djibouti had them because they were carrying out real missions.
Another problem I have with the images is that the pole is removable on all versions (C, CT, CR) so it’s even complicated to know which model it is. For example, the video below dates from 2001, yet we see Mirages F1 without the refuelling pole (while the C are supposed to have been withdrawn from service)
What’s behind the two point of view here is just a question of grinding time : some people here don’t want to grind more so they want to push a change to an aircraft to get more diversity while not grinding more, and some don’t care about the grind and prefer to have more choice on what they can play whitout hurting the current choices
I’ll add my point of view : i’m playing arcade, so i have to take into account that i have to build a lineup, not just jump in one plane. With this in mind, adding more plane is obviously the solution i would favor because it does not harm my current lineups. It’s even helping to level the field with the US and Soviets lineups, that are the best for sustaining losses in the battle.