Should the mirage F1C loose its magic 2 in order to go to 11.3

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You genuinely dont understand what you’re talking about

The f1 is one of my most used planes mate.

The mig23 can either choose to sweep its wings and it ill catch a mirage, however it also bleeds an astronomical amount of speed as it essentially turns it into a delta.

Or it can sweep its wings out, and mot be able to keep up with the mirage.

you seem unable to grasp the importance of being able to control the engagement

Ive spaded the mig23M and MLD both are significantly worse to fly than the mirage F1

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You’ve either fully commited and both parties are slabs as you say , or you fked up.

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What are you on about man😂😂 how slow?

Its the easiest plane to keep above mach 0.85 in almost any situation. At its br

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In that situation F.1 would be so slow I could hit it with Mk-108.

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No you aren’t ar all

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Want to try some 1v1?
Perhaps you will teach me a lesson hm?

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In what situation ? Do you actually know how to energy fight ?

Like how to lead a target in big ol loop basically pulling sway the entire time bleeding then of energy ? I cant dumb this down any further for you

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Thats your response?

You lose the argument and go 1v1 me

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I can keep up with an F1 with a mig 23 if I’m controlling the wing sweep throughout the engagement, but it isn’t particularly pleasant and it’s very easy to get third partied. Though I would also note, mig 23 has arguments that can be made for it really belonging at 12.0, hindered mainly be compression of the BR system though

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I think you will find I somewhat know what to do.

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The response is that you overestimate the F.1 at low speeds.

Especially in comparison to other aircraft.

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Mld yeah should be 12.0 as well

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Well, I owe you an apology. I was mistaken about the similarity between the F1C and the F1C 200. They are actually the exact same aircraft (the boom can be mounted or removed, which causes the size difference). It is therefore normal to have the same armament on both aircraft.

Regarding missile operational durations, the Mirage F1C had Magic 1s for 10 years, then Magic 2s for the next 10 years before being retired from service. To say that it only had the Magic 2 for a small part of its service is therefore false.

For the aircraft you want, I would suggest an early Mirage F1C with Magic 1s and R530s. I will do a suggestion next week

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Hardly ive hundreds of games in it i know fine well ehat it can do

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F.1 would get third partied as well.

In a sustained fight MiG-23 ought to win every time.

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An early mirage is a good shout thoigh I not just stripping one down for the sake of it

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A sustained rate the mig23 MLD doesn’t win every time.

Especially seeing as it has worse sustained rate than an ML or M as it has slats to improve AOA so yeah

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No applogy necessary.

F.1C is the first serial aircraft already isn’t it?

We can always blame compression or that the C-200 was made premium but we are not very likely to change that.

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Pretty sure we’ve all suggested this muppet should put the energy behind an F1C (Early) instead of making uptiers for the 11.7 mirage essentially unplayable by removing all aspect AAMs.

Last I checked, a mirage F1 doesn’t have to manage wing sweep to keep up with a Mig 23.

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Could you not tell the apology was dripping with almost as much sarcasm as venom for you being an absolute muppet who is generally ignorant of the platform you’re discussing?

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