I don’t think TF30s F-14 has bad flight model because it is still better at 1c fights but, it is depends of your playstyle.
You are fundamentally confusing modeling errors for the missile’s actual performance.
Regarding your point about other jets having better radars, that is exactly why the F-14D is needed. The APG-71 is the “better radar” you are asking for because its inclusion of MPRF and NCTR solves the blind spots and reliability issues found in the analog AWG-9.
The issue isn’t just the airframe, but rather that the game is missing historical capabilities. For example, the current F-14B’s AWG-9 lacks the real-world ability to lock and launch missiles using only the TCS, a tactic that VF-2 F-14As actually utilized. War Thunder completely ignores this optical tracking capability which would compensate for the lack of MPRF on the older radar.
Furthermore, the reason the Phoenix cannot hit Mach 4+ is a specific flight model error where the drag is set too high at high altitudes and too low at low altitudes. This aerodynamic inversion destroys the missile’s kinematic advantage in the thin upper atmosphere and has nothing to do with BTT, it is simply incorrect drag coefficients in the game code.
The solution is to fix the AIM-54’s broken drag profile and implement the missing avionics features like the TCS lock, PAL mode etc, not to band-aid the problem with a fantasy AMRAAM the F-14D never carried.
Tcs and irst slave isn’t coming back as of right now as other jets use them as well and was removed from game for balancing or where never fully implemented hopefully they do bring it back. It not really fantasy the f14 airframe can carry them and like mentioned before the f14A with f14D tech that tested them did so successfully so many prefer the f14D getting it or not at all as you can see on the poll above
Not getting anything confused just how the missile is in game with only 20g tolerance till they fix it.
Stt as in skid to turn and notching as the missile flying as high as it can for a better range and less detection to hit rwr blind spots
It might be wishful thinking, but the devs did mention that there are several things they need to implement before introducing Gen 5 aircraft. Hopefully, this means we might finally get proper modeling for TCS/IRST capabilities, and perhaps even ECM.
Speaking of missing features, I am currently in contact with a former F-14 RIO guy regarding the PAL mode. If things go well, I might be able to obtain not public in Internet but, unrestricted documentation to prove its functionality and get it added to the game.
He served with VF-124 where he trained as a RIO, and later went on to serve with VF-24 and VF-154.
It is still a “fantasy” in terms of operational history because the “successful test” you are referring to was merely a separation test to ensure safe release, not a validation of combat capability.
I would rather see the F-14D function correctly as it did in real life.
Mixing a testbed’s safe separation data with service aircraft capability is the definition of a “What-If” scenario.
There is a reason the program never even reached the VX squadrons for operational testing.
Y you so against the f14D getting AMRAAMs you like dick Cheney I feel the same vibe here as Dick Cheney not wanting the f14 to be great and just know as a terrible jet other then using realism’s as as a accuse and not just the the f14D the f14 platform in general
No. I really don’t understand why people would genuinely want AMRAAMs on the F-14D (let alone the F-14A). Like why give it experimental weapons that will only increase the BR to a place where the other limitations of the vehicle are more pronounced?
Maybe the F-14A could be a separate event vehicle or something but at least for me I almost always will advocate for vehicles to have their historical in-service armament especially when that is the most balanced configuration.
Because it’s going to be 13.3-13.7 anyways where their is already 100% better radar capabilities/modes compared to apg71 without a hmd and the other radars not to mention better fox3 compared to any aim54 because their heavy and have bad acceleration and no stt and notch so even when the f14D comes it’s just gonna be like the f14B/aim54C barely a difference and at least aim120A would give a fighting chance unlike irl where dick Cheney did everything in his power to stop it… like aim120 would at least stop the long snipping that the aim54 has but once we try to replace it with a AMRAAM a Medium range weapon instead of a long range weapon it’s wrong even tho it’s not completely make believe
Well I do so as long it successful tested them it should be add because unlike irl could be lame we can at least use irl as limiter and the game as what if because at least realistically we know the limits and I do think the USA was capable of using aim120A on their first fox 3 plane and first 4th gen aircraft I really don’t think it would be hard to believe especially with the apg71 being as good as the f15E apg70 radar that can guide aim120 but Dick Cheney existed and did everything in his power to stop the F14 honestly I didn’t think I would be arguing someone named after a f14 squadron that the f14 is a capable aircraft
I am arguing this precisely because I like the F-14. I used to live near the naval air base where VF-21 Freelancers and VF-154 Black Knights were stationed.
I want the real F-14s, not a fictional version of it.
You are conflating “Safe Separation” with “Guidance Capability.” A separation test only proves that the missile won’t hit the aircraft when dropped.
It does NOT mean the radar is successfully communicating with the missile or that the datalink is functional.
Regarding the radar, while it is often said that the APG-71 is derived from the F-15E’s APG-70, the issue is we do not know the exact extent of commonality in either hardware or software. Just because they share a lineage doesn’t mean they are functionally identical in the context of firing specific missiles. To truly know if the F-14D had the specific hardware components and operational code to guide an AMRAAM, we would need the NAVAIR 01-F14AAD-1A manual or technical manuals for ground crew. However, those documents are still classified or the physical copies have been destroyed.
Without that documentation, assuming it “just works” is pure speculation. I prefer advocating for the features we know are missing and can prove (like TCS lock, PAL, and correct flight models with SAS etc…) rather than chasing “What-Ifs” based on assumptions.
Add 14D . AIM-9M (GJ doesn’t model version, for this missile at least ) . AIM-7P . AIM-54C ECCM/Sealed -54C+ (pick a name) - but fixed. TT vehicle.
Then , either make a premium NF-14D or event NF-14D , of VX /NAWC … toss it weird weapons like 120s, 9X (why not) , AGM-84s/88s etc.
Especially the weapon tests vehicles, have tried weapons that they didn’t deploy… a bit fanservice and funfiction, but very real.
That’s the most realistic approach you can get. There are vehicles that you see in game , with weapons that never fired/carry…just because they had replicas for a demonstration.
The thing is, if they ^fix^ 54s , you won’t need something like 120A/B anyway…Especially with the iteration of 54C+ if the missile flies correct (g limits/speed/FM ) and it’s electronics/avionics should be of similar quality with 120A/B in how it pictured in the game. Just 120A/B should be shorter range and more agile.
I still Think of Dick Cheney energy out of you cause just how dare you think and use info not prove dike Cheney wrong EVEN IF ITS JUST A GAME that it was CAPABLE AIRCRAFT and use The f14 squadron name as a username
Ofc you do it’s a long range weapon not a medium range weapon with a fast kill time to keep up with medium range weapons that war thunder is know to be a telephone both fights fight
I hate what Cheney did to the program as much as anyone. But pasting a fake loadout on the jet doesn’t “prove him wrong.”
In fact, arguing that the F-14 needs the AMRAAM to be competitive is actually an insult to the airframe. It implies that the Tomcat isn’t good enough on its own merits.
I believe the real F-14D, with a properly modeled AIM-54, APG-71, and correct flight performance, is already the king of the skies. I want to dominate using the Tomcat’s unique strengths, not by turning it into a generic F-15 clone just to fit a meta.
Let’s demand the devs fix the AIM-54 and add the missing real features like TCS and PAL. Showing that the historical F-14D is unmatched without fantasy weapons is the best way to prove it was a capable aircraft.
He is not wrong. It’s just the game goes funfiction/fanservice here and there . So, technically you can have both… different BRs, different planes. And it’s not far from reality, in fact it is kinda real.
However, as he states, NF planes aren’t the Tomcats that got deployed. Just one off -special vehicles.
I’m not against.
