Bro how would a f14A with AMRAAMs be 13.0 and when the av8 has aim120 and the f14A would make it obsolete especially with rocket/bomb computers
“Successful” in what context?
It proved the missile falls off safely without hitting the airframe or causing the aircraft to killed itself down. It did not prove combat capability.
The F-14D never received the fleet software to actually communicate with and guide the missile. The program stopped at PMTC and never went to VX squadrons(The Evaluators aka black bunny or VX-9 Vampire) for Operational Test & Evaluation.
It is like plugging a new GPU into a PC but never installing the drivers. It fits physically, but it won’t work. Giving the F-14D a weapon it literally lacked the software to operate is, by definition, “fantasy.”
Resorting to insults just shows you have run out of logical arguments.
Ironically, by insisting that the Tomcat needs AMRAAMs to be viable, you are the one agreeing with its critics. You are effectively admitting that you don’t believe the F-14 is capable enough on its own merits.
I respect the airframe enough to want it represented as it actually was a beast that dominated without needing to copy the F-15. I will continue advocating for the real things, just like what I did for recent months.
You can keep begging for fantasy things.
Not. Just unbelievable what your doing while calling your self a “vf21”
Comparison between the f14 and f15 is a insult itself
Honestly the f14 is better than the f15 just didn’t receive attention like the f15 to be great like the f15 honestly which what we know now with politics you don’t think they would manipulate stocks to make the f14 bad in every way
I use this name because Freelancers was the very first Tomcat squadron I ever saw as a child.
Sadly, they were disbanded the very next year. However, VF-154 remained, and they were special. They were the only squadron other than the RAG(VF-124 and VF-101) authorized to perform demo flights. I was lucky enough to watch them tearing up the sky for several years after that.
I want the legend as it was. You just want an easy mode.
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its unlikely to be 13.3 why would it the mig 29N is 13.3 because it has R77s ??? which are way better it will be at same br as F14B just like how M26 and T26E5 are same br mind you SU27 and SU33 same br and it gets more missiles and better FM for less flares
M26 and T26E5 same br aswell
Those are tanks😭😭lol
That sounds good in theory until you reread the almost 4 years worth or discussion about the Aim-54 from the old+this forum and see that everything we’ve ever wanted has already been reported and either ignored or denied. And the most important things like the 25G pull aren’t even coming at all.
And I’m going to be honest, even if every single thing goes through for the Aim-54, even it’s best variant, the Aim-54C+ ECCM/Sealed Mk.60, is still going to be rightly outpaced by Fakour-90s in BVR and AMRAAMs within 30km. It’ll be much more usable and worth using, maybe even a little broken, but it unfortunately doesn’t address the main problem with the Aim-54 in warthunder, which is the playspace you use them in.
Warthunder has consistently treated the F-14 bad in this regard. If we could actually get up to altitude, get to Mach 1.8, launch a Phoenix at 120km at an F-15 trying to do the same with with AMRAAM’s, the F-14 would be a lot more effective and probably still one of the best planes in the entire game.
So while fixing the Aim-54 is good in theory,
- It hasn’t happened yet and Gaijin clearly isn’t keen on it happening and is more interested in breaking missiles and adding something balance breaking every other patch
- Even if it does happen, which we will try at prime time when the F-14D gets added to the dev server, it will still be heavily limited purely by the environment it will have to face, with no sight on the horizon of that being addressed either.
The Inclusion of the AMRAAM improves the results on both of those outcomes. However, I do think to make everyone happy they could just add an F-14D with AMRAAM, and an F-14D without. Honestly the reason the F-14D hasn’t come yet is probably due to Gaijin having the same discussion we’re having now, if they even care that much.
This helps nobody. Stop.
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to be fair why use AIM-54 anyway most engaugments around 13.0 are close range and the AIM-7P is very good at that with APG-71 and AIM-7P and AIM-9M it probably be the best 13.0 if they did fix the 54 it still be 13.3 but they said they never will so unlikely
so in short F14D would be a better F15A at same br due to missile and radar boost and im fine with that giving it aim-120As would just make it face rafales and that is not fun
for those who hate on aim-7P its literally a better tracking AIM-7M and can relock after they notch and you can use it to loft it just like the R27ER
giving the F14D aim120A would make it have same fate as F15GE
That’s pure cope it has a radar that’s as good as the apg70 if not better bc the apg71 focused on air to air…aim7p and aim9m along with the fact the aim54c+ upgrade would be the same comparison to the aim54c that it would barely make a difference the difference is the aim54c+ is a lil heavier and has eccm and you act like it would have have a better rcs it’s not 13.3-13.7 will still detect it coming miles away at the same speed as the aim54c no way it would be the same br because it’s not exactly the same situation as the su33 an su27 they have the same load out just one has two more missile and one has a little bit better radar and better FM but not enough to make the other obsolete
F/A-18A is 12.3 with a impeccable radar
Easy to take it out
Honestly so slow in game it’s easy to take out or put distance between it
strongest 12.3 btw faces F4Es
I completely agree with your frustration regarding Gaijin’s handling of bug reports and the claustrophobic map design. You are right; the current “cage match” meta heavily favors the AMRAAM’s (also MICAs) playstyle over the Phoenix’s intended high-speed/high-altitude envelope.
However, applying a “fantasy band-aid” to fix a “game design problem” (Maps/FM, BR compression, etc) is a dangerous path. If we turn the F-14D into just another AMRAAM carrier to fit the current meta, it loses its unique tactical identity and becomes a “fat F-15.”
Regarding the Fakour-90, it dominates because it has a significantly stronger motor and, for some reason, superior maneuverability despite using the exact same control surfaces as the AIM-54. This proves that the Tomcat can be competitive in this meta if its missiles have the kinematics to back it up. The problem is that the current AIM-54 is artificially crippled by incorrect drag and modeling errors. The solution shouldn’t be “give the F-14 a weapon it never used,” but rather “fix the AIM-54’s incorrect flight model.” If the Phoenix wasn’t drowning in artificial drag, it would be far more effective.
If we accept the “What-If” version just to make it competitive in the current mess, we effectively give Gaijin a free pass to stop fixing the actual issues. I would rather struggle with a historically accurate machine and keep pressuring them for correct physics and maps, than play a fantasy version that turns War Thunder into Ace Combat even more.
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i just want my radar to function like radar F14D wont have same problems as AWG-9 with documents AIM-9M and AIM-7P are gonna be peak
Ofc it is once it come to lower br early gen fox 1 vs aim7m ain’t a fair fight like you said 11.0 -12.7 needs a br compression for stuff like aim7m/aim7p/aim54a
It’s not gonna be peak like you think it is it just gonna be a f14B but at higher br because it’s gonna have aim9m paired with aim7p and somewhat better aim54c eccm at 13.3-13.7 with a radar as good if not better than apg70 in air to air that at 13.0 would practically it’ll bring it back 2020 f14 back where people will fs complain like you said about the f18 fighting lower tier it’s gonna fight lower tier opponents that it’s gonna raise it by 13.3 or 13.7 to balance it
And why would it suffer like a awg9 if you your self said it not limited to front aspect only and would be capable of all aspects and the apg71 is know for this