literally no we dont need the F14D to be overtiered and facing top tier jets like rafale
13.0 with AIM-7P and AIM-9M with new radar it will be a good counter to the SU33 and Su27
no other techtree plane can receive aim-7P at the current moment so why do you wanna have it be overtiered garbage
yeah that would work great for 13.3.
but still you know how us main will react, same as they with the double pylon f15c GE.
U.S. mains will probably be happy that the F-14 is playable. The reason they’re unhappy abt the F-15C GE is because it sucks do to ahistorical nerfs.
It would barely be a counter to them lol they still have better radar capabilities like the 10+ miles hmd even against the f14D those r27er are still better than aim7p and r73 are better than aim9m (in game) its going to be 13.3 not 13.0 goofy the f14B is already at 13.0 and ain’t going down not to mention the new jets like su30mk2,mig29n, and a lot of other 13.3 jets with better fox 3
I mean it carry’s 6 fox 3 and 4 r73 equals 10 missiles while if the dual pylons do come witch is a huge if it would be 8 fox 3 2 aim9m equals 10 missiles so I think it balances out but honestly I would be fine with it coming with 6 aim120A and aim9m
How about no.
Not only is the Hornet not a Tomcat, but it’s also not that great of a fighter in general. Besides the 1 piece of the puzzle that is the 1553 Bus for the APG-71 including the Aim-120, there are tons of more primary sources explicitly stating the F-14D could fully employ AMRAAMs. If there’s any Tomcat that should get them it should be the F-14D, purely for the sake of balance.
Random examples:
If you want a Tomcat with 100% realistic armament, well you’re SoL. Every Tomcat in Warthunder doesn’t have the armament it should. Hell if you want a toptier jet fighter with those qualities you’re going to have to search a decent amount. I would say DCS solves this but they’re not doing so great either…
Thanks for the detailed overview though. Just know Gaijin won’t go through 5% of this effort when adding the F-22 in 6 months.
at that br, irrcm missile dont matter, its how much fox 3
They prove “Design Intent,” not “Operational Reality.”
First, the 1981 Fact Sheet explicitly identifies the missiles as “full-scale mock-ups”. It was published in April 1981, nearly a decade before the F-14D entered service. We often joke about “marketing lies,” but this is the literal definition of one. It was a sales pitch, not an engineering manual.
Second, the 2014 SAR lists the F-14 solely for historical reasons (“legacy compatibility”). The Tomcat had been retired for 8 years by the time that report was published. It confirms the missile was physically sized for the plane, not that the software was active.
Think of it this way: These documents prove the F-14 had the “Motherboard” (Hardware), but the “Drivers” (Software) were cancelled. You are pointing to a GPU box and claiming it works without drivers installed. The Navy explicitly spent that money on the Super Hornet and “bombcat” upgrades instead.
HB says F-14D never comes because there are not enough legal documents for modeling it with DCS standards and that’s why We stuck at F-14A/F-14B(and F-14A IR, F-14BU in soon™).
Also, some aircraft/missile modelings are really awful, just like FC3 Flankers DL and overperforming SD-10, etc.
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wtf
Yet their 4.5 gens aircraft and supposedly are gonna add 5 gen aircraft this up coming year
Actually it says demonstrated performance and list the f14
You mean EFT and F-35A?
We don’t know when they comes because it is quite often modules are delayed or canceled, just like AI A-6E(Heatblur: delayed), MiG-23ML(Razbam: canceled) etc.
Not sure it is even comes within 10 years.
That could be one but I meant the one Mikey posted the Selected Acquisition Report (SAR)
Check the dates again. That report is from December 2014. The F-14 was retired in 2006. Why would a 2014 report list a plane that had been sitting in museums for 8 years?
The answer is Legacy Compatibility. Since the F-14 was part of the 1981 Fact Sheet in the 1980s, it remains listed in bureaucratic reports as a “compatible platform” (meaning it fits physically and was originally intended to carry it) long after the plane itself is gone. Listing a retired airframe under “Compatibility” is a paperwork formality, not proof of operational capability. It confirms the missile was designed to fit the Tomcat, but it does nothing to change the historical fact that the OFP required to actually fire it was cancelled.
Also, As for the 1985 SAC, looking closely at that document reveals the massive “PRE-SERVICE” text at the top and the specific classification of the missile as “AMRAAM (PROVISIONS FOR)” on Page 3. Furthermore, Page 4 explicitly states the performance basis is “F-14A Flight Test Data”, proving that the “Demonstrated” status refers to the F-14A or maybe NF-14, not a combat-ready F-14D. Both documents prove the same thing. The hardware provisions were planned, but the software were never delivered to the fleet.
You are citing a bureaucratic artifact from 2014 to argue for a capability that was killed in the 90s.
Dude we already know the f14D never used or carried AMRAAMs in it life time but the fact is that a f14A that did use the amraam successfully with f14D technology we some us would prefer the f14D getting AMRAAMs than a 100% more ass f14 getting them as it would not be 13.0 it would be 13.3 if not higher so half of us would honestly rather have the f14D get it not to mention how long it would take just to receive two f14’s when the f14D is already doa
You are basing your argument on fundamental misconceptions regarding the vehicle, the weapon systems, and the game balance.
First, the F-14D has not even been fully implemented yet. Calling a vehicle that doesn’t currently exist DOA is premature. However, from what we already know about its avionics, the F-14D is fundamentally a massive upgrade over the F-14B. The APG-71 brings critical modern capabilities like NCTR and MPRF waveforms. Unlike the analog AWG-9 which relies heavily on HPRF and struggles with tail-chase or look-down geometry, the APG-71’s MPRF allows for reliable all-aspect detection and superior notch resistance. To call a strictly superior radar suite “ass” simply because it lacks a specific missile is objectively wrong.
Second, the reason the Tomcat feels inconsistent right now is not because it lacks AMRAAMs, but because the AIM-54 Phoenix itself is currently not correctly modeled. The missile’s flight performance and guidance logic in-game are artificially underperforming compared to its real-life capabilities. The solution isn’t to slap a fantasy AMRAAM on the pylons; the solution is to fix the AIM-54 so the F-14s can actually perform its historical long-range dominance role.
Finally, the root cause is BR Compression, where 8.3 to 14.3BR matchmaking forces airframes into matchmakers they don’t belong in. The answer is BR Decompression and fixing the existing Phoenix, not turning the F-14D into a generic “What-If” Fox-3 spammer just to bandage a broken matchmaker.
both of these aircraft would utterly destroy it with no remorse lol
Ik this already you just wasted time explaining the obvious it’s just not gonna be as hype up is what I meant by doa
I was talking about the f14A test bed that tested AMRAAMs no bol pods,worst engines for a fighter,less capable rwr compared to a f14D/f14B, bad flight model because of the engines
Once again wasted time explaining the obvious and it feels inconsistent because aim7m/aim7p/aim54 are bad missiles to be missile jousting at 13.0+ when like already mentioned other jets have better radar and modes like a 10+ hmd with a lot of missile that are better not to mention we probably aren’t gonna be getting stt and notching for the aim54 plus it needs those to be able to travel Mach 5. the aim54 performance is supposedly underperforming and over performing but I not to sure about all that is on the aim54 performance forum but one thing I noticed on replay is one getting a f14 to 26000+ ft in the air is not easy especially try to keep a fast past and the fact is I never seen a aim54 actually reach Mach 4.3 only 3.0 -4.0 before quickly losing speed
with the J-11A, Su-30MKK, and Su-30MK2 at 13.3 with MiG-29SMT and F-16ADF’s as well, i think the F-14D could be 13.3 with 9M and AIM-120A
