i highly doubt theyll do it that way its same thing people said about F18 being in the attacker line the F15 CGE will be last plane before the F22
it doesnt make sense its like adding a F14D in the bomber line when its not a bomber
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Sorry, “rules” are only applied when they align with what Gaijin already wants to do.
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It’s acutually not that bad, when you have 5-6 good missiles instead of just 2 AIM-7s.
-15CMs in a BR for a grand total of 45, where even an F-4F ICE has more CMs than the ADF. Hell, the F-5TH TCU has the same ammount of CMs while being 13.0 and a 3rd gen jet with only two ARH lol
Running away from missiles is a lot easier than it seems, and the F-4F ICE is not a better plane just because it has more CMs.
What is this example meant to do?
F16 adf is one of the stronger 13.3s. even with limited counter measures you can get a lot done with proper positioning.
I mean it should receive them, due to the fact that we as a community want the most “realistic and close to life version of vehicles,” gate keeping the missile just to hold it back from other BRS sounds counter to what so many people push for in this game.
Of course, its better because it carries an F/A-18 radar, which is better than an F-16s.
That giving better ordnance does not equal to a plane becoming objectively better suited for the a higher BR if it gets historical ordnance. The F-5TH TCU is TERRIBLE at 13.0 and you don’t need to play it to know that’s true.
That applies to any plane? Like is this really a point? Bump the level of argumentation.
6 aim120s at 13.3 is nothing to scoff at. its not the su30’s that should be 13.7, but its still quite potent. couple that with one of the best fm in the game and you have a very good option despite limited cm.
Just because it has APG-65 doesn’t mean it’s a better plane, APG-66(V3) does just fine and isn’t really a bad radar and has TWS and search PD, plus the scan speed is faster than normal.
Now this thread should be
“Should other nations get Aim-120D?”
Seeing how it first was for the US to help their winrate….
Now other nations being considered is hilarious.
Only applicable ones is: israel(even tho i dislike it as a tree that should realistically never have been there due to being the least unique.
But then again, it needs it and its prolly the only one that also lacks a proper 14.7.
Something like an F-15SG could be valid for israeli techtree n use 120Ds
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For the most part it would probably apply to export American airframes.
If Gaijin wants to add the F-15EX or F-15E Late, we could see them on the F-15SG.
If Gaijin wants to add the F-16C PoBIT, we could see them on a Greek F-16V, Taiwanese F-16V, and/or Singaporean F-16C/D (AESA).
If Gaijin wants to add an Australian F/A-18F, we could see it added there for the UK.
An honorable mention would be the Gripen-E despite not being an American airframe.
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That is assumind aim120ds will even be meta, and not just. A mild upgrade making the amraam competitive. I have 0 confidence in gaijin to do the amraam justice
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Yeah, the whole point is how the US has aircraft that are generally underperforming with their current armament… Idk why other nations with better WR should get it. It should have come as a response to the R-77-1 in the first place.
Well we know that they are adding the Aussie F-18F with the 120-D now, so maybe the US super hornet will get them too.
I hope that the 120-D is actually a noticeable upgrade from the C, but I’m not counting on it with what has happened in the past.
Now we have to see how long it is until the meteor gets added
If they add the 120D they should also add these weird dual AIM-120 mounts on the CFTs.
Having a F-15C with a motherload of AIM-120Ds would be funny, I think.
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I mean another thing to keep in mind is that giving the F-15C GE 120D’s is that it would finally be counter to most of the Su-30 SM/SM2’s that it usually faces againt. Especially with newer jets like the new RAAF F/A-18F getting the 120D’s, you’d probably expect more people taking the role of being a missile-bus, slinging Fox 3’s from long ranges like other nations currently do with R-77’s, P-12’s ( Plus the upcoming P-12A’s), ect. Since the new top-tier jet that USA is supposed to get is highly expected to be a more modern F-16 variant, and the F/A-18E’s slightly worse radar and less effective defensive capabilities compared to the F-15C GE, it only seems right to give the GE the 120D’s since it fits the role the best out of all other aircraft capable. If it does get it’s BR changed to say 14.7, it should be overall balanced since it’d be up with other aircraft that are said to hold 120D’s, or simmilar Fox 3’s at that BR. As for the ammount it’d recieve, it seems fair to give it the same amount as the 120C-5’s, giving the double-racks to the wing pylons only, and keeping the fuselage pylons as singles, that way it’d be on-par with it’s main opponent, the Su-30SM/SM2’s.
Not really, most of the F-15C GE’s problems begin on the airframe, not necessarily on the missiles. The F-15C has worst acceleration, energy retention and overall flight performance than any other 14.3/7 except the Super Hornet, and that’s tells only so much.
That would only be effective and become a reasonable end if they model the AIM-120D as a total upgrade from AIM-120A/B/C-5s, we still have to see what they will cook on the dev server. A reasonable guesstimation is that they’ll follow the C-5 formula, better speed and range but less aoa fin performance.
But being an objectively worse airframe than any 14.7. No one with a braincell will touch it knowing the plane is a one trick pony. You can make ARH one trick ponies work at 13.0 (F-4F ICE, Tornado F.3 Late, Harriers) because they also face airframes not solid enough or lacking instantaneous turn to have a wildcard at medium close ranges. At 14.7, you can give the F-15C GE an AMRAAM-ER, a Rafale or an EF would still notch it in less than a beat.
I repeat, if Gaijin gives 120Ds to the F-15C GE, it would have to go higher in BR, and facing objectively superior peers on a permanent basis, and no one in this thread will touch it if that happens, no matter if you find it realistic or not.
Greace was leaked to Israel last year
Yes, that’s why it’s even on the list in the first place.
- (USA) F-16C Block 50+ PoBIT
- (China) Taiwanese F-16V Block 70
- (Israel) Singaporean F-16C/D Block 52+ (AESA).
- (Israel) Greek F-16V Block 72