I am one of the lucky ones that had coelian and 10.5 Tiger unlocked.
So, I have them. Well, I haven’t bought the 10.5 Tiger, but I have access to it.
Missed the panther 2 and Maus, sadly.
I think SPAAs should be more varied and otherwise have more options.
So yes.
Can you give more of an explanation than just “no?” Because the clear explanation it seems from you is that you are gatekeeping it.
Gaijin’s plans are always changing.
A few months before the supersonic update they mentioned that AAM are never going to be in the game
Now we have a missile meta in top tier matches.
It is not going to be impossible for ever
Wow, you got a clear explanation from a single word, impressive.
The Panther II at no point in its development had a Schmalturm. The Panther II project was canceled months prior to the Schmalturm being started. So most likely the Panther II would have gotten the Panther G turret on a slighly modified chassis. Almost certainly what we got on the Panther F so the Panther F is already more of a Panther II than was ever planned
Are you incapable of giving an answere or just to much of an *** to do? if it is the latter you should not post in the forum. As your “no” post already violates the forum rules
Indeed, the Panther II with Daimler-Benz’s Schmalturm was a mistranslation of documents by Speilberger that he later corrected in subsequent books.
Hillary Doyle however found documents stating that Rheinmetall was contracted to design and build the Panther II turret, and that is what the schmale Blendenausführung was supposed to be. However, as with many late-war projects, no prototype of the turret was constructed although proposals to mount it on the Panther itself after the cancellation of the Panther II were made.
Rheinmetall’s schmale Blendenausführung, note this is a different turret than Daimler-Benz’s Schmalturm
I would like it back but I highly doubt gaijin would do it. They replaced it with the Ostwind 2 (which is arguably even more paper than the coelian)
yep. I love the ostwind 2 to death and I love making the match a no fly zone when i spawn in but it has is super weak to mg’s from aircraft.
Not to mention, the Coelian fills that 6:3 spot with the Tiger 2, walker bulldog, and the one tank destroyer (forgot its name sadly.)
But, you are correct. It will probably remain gone, which is very sad
R2Y2s are being removed just like Flak 341 when a replacement is found.
This was announced when Flak 341 was removed. All fake vehicles are on the chopping block.
Ostwind 2 did exist according to military documents, but was lost in transport to the testing facility.
Ostwind 2 is what replaced Flak 341, it’s not coming back.
Flak 341 is also 7.0, not 6.3.
R2Y2s were announced to be removed, there’s still no replacement.
Gaijin never said AAMs would never be in the game.
you sure about that br cheif? Wiki says 6.3 and matches i’ve played at 5.3 have had them in there, I also lack a belief that the 341 and Kugelblitz are at the same br because the Kugel is better in virtually every way.
Also, yes, I understand the point of removing paper vehicles to make them game more realistic. However, 1 thing doesn’t sit right with me:
If they wanted these vehicles gone for realism, why don’t they remove them for EVERYONE? These vehicles are still roaming around, just in less numbers. You can still see them do the argument for realism doesn’t make an ounce of sense.
They just feel gatekept instead of maintaining realism which is supposedly what Gaijin wants from this.
What are you even on about? There was a question asking, and I answered “no,” don’t know what made up forum rules you think that violates.
This topic has been discussed to death since the vehicles were rightly removed, which is why there’s no need for a more in-depth answer, but I’m all for the removal of all fake vehicles in the game.
cool, cool. so you wouldn’t mind if we removed your fake vehicles currently in your possession that you may or may not have?
Not at all, just refund any GE or SL I may have spent on them.
you see, that’s the problem. Refunding RP is difficult, as the game doesn’t allow you to close a screen without spending RP.
Based on how the game is coded, if you have all German vehicles unlocked, you will get soft locked out of the game. So, unless they just want to give convertible rp (which will piss EVERYONE off), they would have to recode this part of the game.
And even if they can refund the rp, it’s hard to use. Why is that? Due to another quirk of this game not allowing efficient research progress for a vehicles +2 or -2 ranks from your tank, they couldn’t just let you spend that to on anything. It would have to be with the rank of the lineup you unlocked it with because Gaijin doesn’t want you having any amount of fun. But, the game doesn’t know match data from 4 years ago, therefore, an rp refund is nearly impossible.
This is just how I see it though, so if a person who has a lot more experience with game development or any sort would double check my reasoning or prove me wrong, that’s be great.
Oh right, it was Kugel that replaced it.
Flak 341 had its AP corrected, and I guess it went from 7.0 to 6.3 over time and I never thought to check.
Because removing the vehicles won’t free up space, and the backlash from deleting vehicles isn’t worth it.
But yeah, they’re rare cause they’re bad. Panther 2 is the only really interesting one cause no other medium tank exists at 6.7, but the Tiger 105 is inferior to the 88s.
And as you said, Kugel is superior to 341.
IDK tho, I haven’t used a SPAA for WW2 era BRs in over a year. Just fighters.
Kugel from what i’ve heard is completely bonkers. Super high velocity cannons and HVAP 30mm MK103 with 77mm of pen at close range.
Funny how people like to call the P341 inferior to the Kugel/Ostwinds but fail to understand that the 30mms it rock are no joke - Along with the fact that the 341 is very difficult to strafe due to the fact it’s a fully enclosed turret on a Panther chassis.
It’s not an inferior SPAAG in any sense of the word compared to other WW2 SPAAGs currently in game. It’s the most protected and among the most heavily armed. Wish I had grinded for it before it was removed, but that’s just my loss.
Hello
We currently do not have any plans to return the Flak 341, Tiger II 105 and Panther II. The reasons for their removal were outlined in detail at the time: [Development] Changes and optimization in the German tech-tree - News - War Thunder
These vehciles were removed and replaced with more appropriate vehciles alongside the Maus which was also removed (not for historical reasons).
We also acknowledged that there are other vehciles, such as the R2Y2 that were also added in a different period of time for the game when modern vehciles were not planned and these were considered the only options to balance those nations. As we have made clear, when suitable replacement vehciles can be found and created, we still have in mind to replace these vehciles (at least in current plans) also. It’s just a case of getting suitable candidates.