I can’t speak for the other person, but I did. I might be missing something because I mainly play ground RB, but was it supposed to be impressive?
You’re at least supposed to notice that I play other nations. My squadron tag literally says Zahal. Although I researched most of Israel’s vehicles, I still have researched more US vehicles. And fully researched USSR tree.
So saying “the only nation he has played in grb is Russia” would be at least incorrect.
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Yup and guess what conclusion I came to? You rarely play top tier CAS from other nations. So when I hear that the A10C should be close to the SM3 in BR, I would expect that either you have first hand experience, have experience playing similar aircraft (in top tier) or have used it’s weapon systems (mavericks, gbu,etc) on a different aircraft. But you don’t.
The closest thing you have is the A10A early. Which at it’s BR, is good. The mavericks can easily be used within it’s optimal range, and dodging spaa missiles it not difficult.
Kurunas 2000 has Maverick D’s thus you can claim to have used them however you only have 22 ground kills. Leading me to believe that A) you haven’t used them or B) you don’t know how to use them correctly. But let’s assume that you do, guess what BR is the 2000? 11.3. Guess how many mavericks it can carry with the TGP? 6 along with 2 GBU. Which all of them can be used efficiently at it’s BR because it can reach supersonic speeds.
Fair enough. Usually when someone says “have you even looked at my profile” it has to do with performance or bragging. I guess I missed that earlier part.
Still though, I do think that the claim that the A-10C is anywhere near as capable as the Su-25SM3 is pretty ridiculous.
Most top tier SPAA are hardly able to really counter the SM3, even the Pantsir will have a fun time with that, while the A-10C is free food for most top tier SPAA let alone the Pantsir.
I don’t expect yall to agree with me. I expressed my opinion, explained how I came to that conclusion, and yall just get personal with me up to my profile, the only thing that’s left is insults I guess. What my game profile even have to do with the fact that A10C is overpowered lol? Both of you are US mains, yet I didn’t mention it up until now, cause its not relevant to the issue, and I knew from the start you’re gonna disagree with me either way.
You both disagree, we get it. Move on.
If you’re taking it as a personal insult, then you’re missing the point. I’m showcasing the blind spots you have. When you say that the A10C should be near the SM3, we are assuming that you’ve played a variety of aircraft to come towards that conclusion. However that is not case. Many of the things you’ve said were either not true or not accurate.
Yes I’m a US main but guess what? My highest ground target destroyed count in a plane is the SU39. Hell, even my T80UK is up there too. But that’s beside the point, I have enough experience to make my claim and defend it.
If we disagree that is fine however you’re reasoning doesn’t hold up. Why do you think I cover all the points you made in my rebuttable? I’m doing it so I can show you the flaws in your argument.
I’ve seen a couple of people on the forums, who played word semantics, spread untrue information, deflected valid points and focused on just wining the argument. I despise those type of people because they contribute nothing to the argument.
You are not any of them (just a hunch) because it truly looked liked you were willing to have a discussion. I hope to have opened your eyes at least.
Dude I have a lot more nations all the way to top tier than you in ground lol, 6 nations at 11.7 in ground RB and still going for more.
If I didn’t get bored of air RB after 3 or so games I would have high tier in more nations there as well.
Except that it’s not a fact and that it’s not overpowered. Any pantsir/tor/ito with a total of 1.5 braincells will eat an A-10C for breakfast and will shoot down any of it’s weapons without any effort.
The A-10C has to get within 12ish km to use it’s mavs and within 5ish km to use it’s GBUs and APKWS. THe TOR/ITO have 12km range and the Pantsir has 18km range. Besides that the mavs are so slow you can almost shoot them down with your eyes closed (I have a pantsir, I have shot down plenty of mavs in GRB and SQB, it’s easy).
Anyone who claims that the APKWS or GBUs are currently usable on the A-10C are just proof that they have no idea what they are talking about.
APKWS currently have bugged CCIP and are functionally unusable due to it (not even adding in the fact that neither APKWS warhead are consistent against anything but super light skin vehicles or open tops) on the A-10C and anyone who has flown the 10C should easily know that you need to be flat out sitting ontop of your target to use GBUs due to your flight performance.
Your only usable, long range implements are the AGM-65Ds and you can only carry 4 due to targeting pod BS.
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Even those are not that reliable. Due to how shitty the A-10C is as a launch platform I have only really been able to hit them at 9-12km range max, because I had to stay low range due to the Pantsirs.
However even if you get one off that is looking good, good chance that the Pantsir/Ito/Tor will just shoot them down like it’s nothing.
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you’re mad lol
This gameplay is too idealistic. You cannot expect the 10C to compare its ground capabilities with those of high-tech players under the most perfect conditions, such as the SU25SM3 and SU24M, which can kill enemies by simply pressing the launch button. You cannot also compare its killing efficiency with high-speed jets, because the 10C is often at a disadvantage in speed, passive or relying on missiles to kill enemies when teammates attract firepower. Most of the time, this indicates that the A10C does not have strong combat capabilities and must rely on the support of teammates. Especially in land warfare, the speed disadvantage will reduce the efficiency of killing enemies and increase the probability of death. In intense top-level room battles, this is a huge gap. You must spend more time and cost to reap smaller killing efficiency. Occasionally, you can kill multiple players completely due to the opponent’s negligence in air defense, and it may not necessarily recoup the respawn points and costs you have paid.
In contrast, Russian aircraft with more powerful missiles can be said to completely crush the A10C’s capabilities in 12.0, and the ground has stronger air defense firepower, providing greater space for both air and ground defense and higher efficiency. This already shows that the weight of A10C is too high!!
I think A10 and A10A should focus on land warfare, increase body health, enhance armor piercing capabilities, and even be inferior to the SU25 machine gun? Because the game has been greatly weakened, without the damage caused by depleted uranium armor piercing bullets or the bullet speed bonus for airborne aircraft speed
A10C: Air combat weight 11.7, land combat weight 11.7! Similarly, enhance the strength of the aircraft and the cannon
My biggest wish is to enhance the close range machine gun attack capability of A10 by strengthening the body and machine gun. This is the most distinctive gameplay of A10. As for missiles, I think compared to having hypersonic fighter jets, A10 has no ability to compare the efficiency of launching missiles to kill enemies. Attacking with rockets can be considered very useless. After all, you need to spend a long time guiding and scouting enemies, which is too torturous and boring. Since it takes time for guidance, why not play with helicopters? You don’t even need to move anymore, and you can rely on the mountain for cover. Because helicopters are also very torturous?
Satellite guided bombs are also very poor for A10, with slower speed and slower bomb flight, which can make it easier to be shot down
这种玩法太过理想主义，你不能要求10C在最完美条件下和高技术水平玩家下的战绩去对比只需要按发射键就能杀敌的SU25SM3，SU24M等的对地能力，也不能和高速喷气机进行对比杀敌效率，因为10C更多情况是速度劣势，处于被动或者在队友吸引火力时才能靠导弹进行杀敌，这里大部分情况都说明A10C没有强势的对战能力，必须依靠队友的支援。尤其是在陆战，其速度劣势会减少杀敌效率，增大死亡几率，在激烈的顶级房对战这就是巨大的差距，你必须花费更大时间成本才能收获更小的击杀效率，你偶尔一次能击杀多名玩家完全靠对方防空的疏忽，并且也不一定能收回你付出的重生点，成本。
相比之下拥有更强力导弹的俄罗斯飞机等在12.0可以说是完全碾压A10C的功能，并且地面拥有更强大的防空火力，无论对空或者对地都有更大的发挥空间，更高的效率，这已经能够说明A10C的权重太高了！！
我认为A10 ,A10A ,应以陆战为主，提升机体血量，穿甲弹增强，甚至不如SU25机炮?【因为游戏削弱的太惨了，既没有应有贫铀穿甲弹的毁伤，也没有空中飞机速度的子弹速度加成！】
A10C：空战权重11.7，陆战权重 11.7！同样增强机体强度和机炮
给A10近距离机炮攻击能力是我最大的愿望，增强机体和机炮。这是A10最具特色的玩法，至于导弹我认为和拥有高超音速战斗机对比发射导弹杀敌效率，A10根本没有对比的能力。用火箭弹进行攻击可以说非常鸡肋。毕竟你需要花费长时间进行制导和索敌，这太折磨且无聊了。既然要花费时间进行制导，为什么不玩直升机？你甚至都不需要移动了，而且可以依靠山体进行掩护。因为直升机也很折磨？
卫星制导炸弹给A10也很差劲，速度更慢，炸弹飞的也慢，还会导致更容易被击落
To be honest, I would prefer him to go to 11.3.Even lower。S24M has faster speed and attack capability than you, but your anti-aircraft missiles are useless。 I don’t want to fly a slow and weak target drone that takes more than ten seconds to launch a few missiles, and it can’t exchange for the value of respawn points. It will also be detonated halfway and the plane will be shot down. This is too foolish.
Reducing 9M or switching to 9L would be an acceptable choice, Guided rocket, forget about him. Why not play with a helicopter，Or use machine guns? The firepower and health and the plane itself are the most important，This makes launching the Maverick missile a choice, otherwise it’s better not to play
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