Its still active radar homing with the same defensive strategies.
Big difference between max ballistic range and max effective range.
It is still active radar homing yes, but the kinematics are vastly superior. Kinematics are important to include in this discussion, they can impact gameplay balance as well. SLM with the range of 40km can still be evaded at 20km according to anecdotes of users who claim to have tested against it. However, I’m quite confident no one is looking forward to being launched on by an Aster-30 at the start of the spawn.
Kinematics are more critical for missiles that have to be defeated ballistically, ie, thermal imaging seekers that can’t be flared.
Active radar homing still has defensive options outside of that
Its a little early to be panicking just yet
Then surely it’s fine to add Meteor, PL-15, and R-37M if they come with the typical active radar homing seekers right?
Just because the seekers can be defeated doesn’t mean that the kinematics can’t be problematic.
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Those kinds of radar missiles aren’t that crazy any more.
We’ve had the past year or so to learn defensive strategies against active radar homing.
Just being able to fire at super ranges doesn’t always mean killing them at those ranges
If its not already planned for and being worked on for this update, then its highly unlikely they’re going to pull one out of thin air at the last minute anyway
I don’t think either MICA VL or SAMP/T will be showing up anytime soon for this update. MICA VL is moreso for future updates.
Well this is the wrong subforum for talking about future updates
This one’s for the Leviathans update
That is correct, but I was just giving my opinion even though according to some people having watched the Russian devstream, it is possible other systems may come this patch.
We were pretty much told they weren’t going to bother when they added the subtree.
cant france also get the ACSV G5 NOMADS through the netherlands sub tree?
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Anything is fair game so long as the subtree nations have used them so yes.
Further evidences have been found showing that SAMP/T is not capable of using Aster-15s and Aster-15s is only meant for naval purposes.
As you can see here, naval ships can use both Aster-15s and Aster-30s. But land vehicles such as SAMP/T can only use Aster-30.
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ARABEL and EMPAR are the radar sets, correct ?
It seems so yes, that is correct.*
I’m not sure to understand how it show that it’s incompatible ?
But that the aster 15 is meant for naval at the very start i totally get it.
I would argue that if it was compatible or even able to be done, it would be shown under Land SAMP/T.
From what i understand radar can guide it (i don’t know how credible forecastinternational is but it is said that the only difference for the sea and land based arabel radar is that land based has better radar performances and your picture seems to confirm it too that both work to guide aster), the head of the missile, and the software is very most likely the same since aster are fired by vls or in a similar position with the samp/t for me it’s more about does it fit in the samp/t ?
Maybe it doesn’t i have no clue but otherwise everything seems green to me.
And well not having aster 15 is most likely just because well France use other systems for air defense, same as for Italy so no one need it and it is anyway more expensive for the job.
As far as the current information goes, no ASTER 15 were ever fired from a SAMP/T system. That capability was also never advertised in any way. The launch system might be slightly different for all we know. PAAMS seems capable of firing both, but it could also be that the launch unit has some special system arrangement that the SAMP/T does not have. Overall, it seems that the ASTER 15 was never considered for ground systems, as it is advertised as a self protection, anti missiles system, whereas ASTER 30 is advertised as an Area protection missile. From this, SAMP/T has only ever fired ASTER 30 for area defense, whereas naval vessels can carry ASTER 15 for self defense
I totally agree with you, but the capability not being advertised is different than not being possible.
Aster 15 or Aster 30 is, at it’s core, one single missile that only vary in engine part and not in anything else, i have no doubt that if it could be fired it could be guided normally.
There are more proofs heading in the direction that the aster 15 can be fired by a samp/t too than the opposite.
The only unknown part like you said is the launch system.