We were pretty much told they weren’t going to bother when they added the subtree.
cant france also get the ACSV G5 NOMADS through the netherlands sub tree?
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Anything is fair game so long as the subtree nations have used them so yes.
Further evidences have been found showing that SAMP/T is not capable of using Aster-15s and Aster-15s is only meant for naval purposes.
As you can see here, naval ships can use both Aster-15s and Aster-30s. But land vehicles such as SAMP/T can only use Aster-30.
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ARABEL and EMPAR are the radar sets, correct ?
It seems so yes, that is correct.*
I’m not sure to understand how it show that it’s incompatible ?
But that the aster 15 is meant for naval at the very start i totally get it.
I would argue that if it was compatible or even able to be done, it would be shown under Land SAMP/T.
From what i understand radar can guide it (i don’t know how credible forecastinternational is but it is said that the only difference for the sea and land based arabel radar is that land based has better radar performances and your picture seems to confirm it too that both work to guide aster), the head of the missile, and the software is very most likely the same since aster are fired by vls or in a similar position with the samp/t for me it’s more about does it fit in the samp/t ?
Maybe it doesn’t i have no clue but otherwise everything seems green to me.
And well not having aster 15 is most likely just because well France use other systems for air defense, same as for Italy so no one need it and it is anyway more expensive for the job.
As far as the current information goes, no ASTER 15 were ever fired from a SAMP/T system. That capability was also never advertised in any way. The launch system might be slightly different for all we know. PAAMS seems capable of firing both, but it could also be that the launch unit has some special system arrangement that the SAMP/T does not have. Overall, it seems that the ASTER 15 was never considered for ground systems, as it is advertised as a self protection, anti missiles system, whereas ASTER 30 is advertised as an Area protection missile. From this, SAMP/T has only ever fired ASTER 30 for area defense, whereas naval vessels can carry ASTER 15 for self defense
I totally agree with you, but the capability not being advertised is different than not being possible.
Aster 15 or Aster 30 is, at it’s core, one single missile that only vary in engine part and not in anything else, i have no doubt that if it could be fired it could be guided normally.
There are more proofs heading in the direction that the aster 15 can be fired by a samp/t too than the opposite.
The only unknown part like you said is the launch system.
But France also uses Aster-30 for naval purposes as well as Aster-15. And they’re even upgrading Aster-15 to the EC modification for increased range so it isn’t like Aster-30 is going to phase out Aster-15.
The source above is similar to an aircraft loadout. If a weapon is missing from an aircraft loadout page then it’s sufficient evidence provided no direct evidence shows otherwise.
In this case the Land SAMP/T doesn’t show a loadout of Aster-15. I couldn’t even find any “test firing” of Aster-15 on SAMP/T.
Interestingly, not even Aster-30 Block 0 is not integrated for the SAMP-T. It starts with the Block 1.
As far as I understand Aster 15 can be used in land based systems such as SAMP/T without any issues.
Even if SAMP/T systems in reality use only Aster 30, Gaijin will easily show their favorite “technically possible” card and give Aster 15 to it.
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Check the site there, says platforms for Aster 15 is for multiple naval platforms. Says nothing about land for Aster-15.
I did not mean in the naval i meant that France did not used aster 15 for ground because mica vl / mica ng vl will do the same job while being cheaper etc…
Otherwise both systems will end up with block 1 bnt making it again check the case for aster able to be fitted on either ground or sea.
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