Should Lvkv 42 get APDS? No, I’m not ragebaiting
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It’s already pretty busted with its *SAP-HEI rounds, so I’d imagine it’d go up much higher on top of its BR of 4.7. Should it get it, I’d think it would need a replacement if so (or they could put the USH where it belongs), but preferably not since it’s doing fine where it’s at.
But then again there’s also the anti SPAA/TD crowd to consider, and it’d add more fuel to the fire there…
It doesn’t have APHE rounds, and its SAPHEI aren’t busted; they are pretty mid.
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They preform almost identical to other low caliber APHE rounds in familiar with, but yes they are SAP-HEI, I just see little to no functional difference between the two nor do I understand how they’re “mid” unless it’s changed since I last played it. They likely preform that way because gaijin codes them to have large post pen effects so they can actually damage aircraft (gaijin damage models at their finest), however this results in them being great tank destroyers. It’s still a great shell and I have no problem 1-2 shoting targets side on, or taking them out via weakpoints through post pen damage as if it was any other low caliber APHE round from an SPAA.
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Could we please stop trying to make spaa tds?
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The lvkv is in an awkward spot since 4.7 is dead unless you play Russia or Britain. So maybe apds is okay if it gets like 16 rds tops EDIT: yes put the ush 204 there I don’t have it but a 5.3 who can’t pen a panzer 3 is weak in my book
Imo the biggest factor holding the Lvkv back is its very limited ammo count. The French AMX-13 DCA 40 is better even though it does not get the SAP-HEI solely because it has far more room for error.
Hence I actually don’t think it’d be a good idea to give this already stretched for ammo SPAA another ammo type that every player would clearly want to bring along.
Yes, ammo count is a problem. Luckily we have the ammunition crate mechanic which helps a fair bit.
IMO the biggest issue is that the lvkv42 and VEAK40 have the wrong ammunition which leaves them with lower velocity than they should have. They should have the same HEFI-T shell as AMX-13 DCA 40 as they are all 40mm L/70 systems
Lvkv 42
AMX-13 DCA 40
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APDS woud increase the BR, because Gaijin overrates APDS to hell and back but in actual terms of capability it would change next to nothing. The APHE is stronger than APDS
Nice, good to See other Players than me talking about it^^
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Yes but it goes up in br followed by the Lvkv fm/43 being added in its current place (its basically M19A1 but with a collar)
Therefore its a unique and meaningful change with very few downsides
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Firstly, I wouldn’t call the Fm/43 a “Swedish M19A1”, because they don’t look similar at all, they just share the same weapon layout, but the rest, turret and chasis, are wildly different.
Secondly, that is indeed the missing link we need between the L-62 Anti-2 and the Lvkv 42.
Sidenote: I’d love to see the L-62 Anti-1 someday too. It’s basically the 40M Nimrod (Which we should’ve gotten years ago), but in Swedish service.
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Yes but performance wise they’d be extremely similar with the same top speeds and all
thats why its easiest to describe it as such
Realistically, there’s no firm evidence that the Lvkv 42 (also designated fm/49 before 1953) was ever issued with APDS ammunition, although it’s not impossible that it was trialed. One Lvkv 42 chassis was reportedly used during radar trials for the later VEAK 40 project, indicating that the vehicle was employed in test and development roles.
By contrast, the Luftvärnskanonvagn fm/43 was in service during the same period that the Swedish 40/24 mm slpprj m/49 (APDS-T) round was developed. Most Sources suggest that the m/49 APDS was intended for use with both the 40 mm Bofors L/60 and L/70 guns, which makes the fm/43 a plausible operational user of the round.
Both vehicles existed when the 40/24 mm slpprj m/49 appeared, and theoretically either could fire the sub-calibre projectile (sharing the same 40 mm bore but with different casing dimensions and muzzle velocities). However, the historical record is far clearer regarding the fm/43’s association with the 40 mm APDS than with the Lvkv 42.
The Lvkv 42 (or fm/49 as Bofors designated the project) began development around 1949 as a planned successor to the fm/43. It was a 1950s–60s project aimed at modernising Sweden’s self-propelled anti-aircraft capability. Ultimately, the project was cancelled due to high costs and logistical considerations. The fm/43 remained in service partly because it shared components with the Strv 40K, which simplified maintenance and supply.
In contrast, the Lvkv 42 used an entirely new platform, and its development dragged on. The concept involved two specialised tracked vehicles, one gun platform and one radar platform — linked by cables. This configuration proved impractical, leading to the eventual preference for a fully integrated system, which became the VEAK 40. One of the Lvkv 42 prototypes was indeed tested with a radar unit,
As shown here:
Could make for an Event variant of the Current Lvkv 42 But its unlikely.
Ill include some information about the Sabot-T40/24 mm slpprj m/1949 And the Lvkv 42 as is topic.
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It’s an spaa - why does it need apds?
Unless online wiki is out of date, the DEFAULT belt has better pen than the m/43 belt (SAPHEI) at 95mm max. Why would an spaa at 4.7 need better pen than that?
I can only speculate, but I think it’s because most players end up taking it into 5.0–5.7 matches. The U-SH 204GK is pretty bad at dealing with ground targets, so they often face well-armoured tanks like the IS-2 or some other tanks with strong, sloped armour. They try to shoot the sides, but nothing really happens — and then they get destroyed.
That’s probably why some players want APDS: to have a chance at side-penning or maybe even front-penning a Tiger H1 with a 40mm…
They “want it all” and that ruins the game.
Spaas have a high rate of fire. That is mitigated with lower pen values. Give them higher pen values and they become OP, and then need the BR raised. And then that leaves a gap in the ranks. It’s a never ending cycle.
The spaa’s are not supposed to be in the business of fighting heavy tanks. They can shoot down planes, destroy light tanks, cripple mediums and heavies through tracking and barreling. There is just no need for spaas to take on heavies
If the spaa advances too far forward and encounters heavies, that’s the spaa mistake. If the heavy catches them near their own base, well the battle is going badly - giving spaas for that reason is a huge mistake.
I am with the side that giving SPAA APDS/APFSDS is a bad thing- as Long as they are below 8.0-9.0 but above that i believe its fair game- Since APHE acting ammunitions is more overpowered than Kinetic rounds- But for example the Lvkv 42 would not benifit from it as it would just get jumped as you said- There is a reason the Strf 9040s are where they are, Yes they are protected but same cannon- And yes in aware this isnt APFSDS but still- the Lvkv 42 w Apds would get bumped up above the Leopard 40/70 at 6.3 and that thing had 94mm of pen like the Lvkv 42 and that is enough-
What i thing is Most important rather than introducing a game Breaking Round even if it was Limited like on the Gepards and the like it would not do any good for the vehicle…
Give it APDS but move it up in BR (a lot) so we don’t have more traumatized players.