“Incorrect” is when you tell me I’m wrong without stating why.
Comparing me to Spookstoon does not help your case at all lol.
I don’t care for a popularity contest. I do care however for a productive conversation.
Um so the italian ef have more K/S, how come it have lower winrate then?
The winrate is different but look at KpS and KpD, theyre much closer than what the winrate would have you think. Rn the stats only show that the much smaller amount of Swedes win more often but with similar performance
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Ok but it still have way higher usage then the italian one and the isreali f15I, so like how come?
This will never fully happen, because the F/A-18C will still be mid as fuck and miles behind the EFT and Rafale.
If they added the C-5 exclusively to the Hornet it would have been brought up to a closer level to the Rafale/EFT, but now that both the F-15E/I and EFTs all also get it, it just cancels it out and leaves the Hornet in the same position.
Bru are you incapable of reading? There are multiple comments stating why you are wrong or at least only partially right on the other side you have brought 0 evidence that Rafale players are just great players other than “Yes every good player is a meta slave, i am very smart”
Because that W/R stops being an individual metric, and becomes a collective one.
Meaning, you depend on the average player that fights alongside you being good in order to achieve the win.
And then again, that is not a 1:1 comparison. It’s a rough aproximation.
True but this is not about saving the Hornet, its about bringing the powerlevel of 14.0 closer together in general
The clear solution is AIM-120D on the hornet /s
Ok by that logic, the russian kh38 lobbers who just grind out the su30 for Ground RB are also insainly good at air combat then?
Like how come these very dominate nation just coincidentally have better player pool? Like are you telling me war thunder on your server locks most player into a single tectree? Because most of the player I see play multiple different one
well the Hornet is 14.0 and it’s powerlevel isn’t being brought closer to the other aircraft.
I think you mean: bringing the powerlevel of the EFT, Rafale and F-15E/I closer together.
yeah so adding it to the second best preforming 14.0 is one of the worst things they could have done
Okay, then. I’ll just compile everything that I said thus far.
Refute each and everyone of those points.
1. Kill/Death Ratio (KDR) vs. Kill-per-Spawn (K/S) and Deaths-per-Spawn
- Raw Numbers (Example Figures):
- Rafale C: KDR ≈ 1.55
- F-15E: KDR ≈ 0.97
- Rafale: K/S ≈ 1.14, Deaths/Spawn ≈ 0.74
- F-15E: K/S ≈ 0.78, Deaths/Spawn ≈ 0.81
- Why It’s Not Just the Jet:
- High K/S combined with low Deaths/Spawn means Rafale pilots are both scoring kills and surviving more often per sortie. A truly “overpowered” aircraft might help you rack up kills, but it cannot as reliably keep even an average pilot alive at that same rate—especially in mixed-skill matchmaking.
- Even if two airframes have similar maneuvering and BVR tools, a skilled pilot will consistently outplay other pilots.
- Correlation to Stronger Players:
- Sustained Efficiency: A K/S of ~1.14 implies that, on average, the pilot is securing a kill every time they respawn, which typically requires a stronger pilot.
- Survivability Under Pressure: A death rate of ~0.74 per spawn means they survive ~26% longer per life than a pilot à la F-15E with ~0.81 deaths/spawn, indicating they’re consistently avoiding mistakes that lead to being shot down—again, a hallmark of higher skill.
2. Win Rate (W/R)
- Raw Numbers (Example Figures):
- Rafale C: W/R ≈ 63.5%
- F-15E: W/R ≈ 47.3%
- Why It’s Not Just the Jet:
- Win Rate depends on team performance and objectives as well as individual contribution. Even a strong jet can’t guarantee a high W/R if the pilot making poor decisions drops the ball for the squad.
- A higher W/R for Rafale crews indicates they’re:
- Participating in favorable engagements,
- Successfully completing objectives,
*Being better team player.
- Correlation to Stronger Players:
- Objective-Focused Gameplay: Rafale pilots with a ~63% W/R are consistently delivering on match objectives and coordinating with teammates, which implies… you said it, a better player.
- Adaptation to Dynamic Matches: A “meta” jet flown by average players might still post a win rate in the mid-40s, but the extra ~15–20% bump strongly suggests the pilot base is making smarter decisions, not just benefiting from the jet’s envelope.
3. Silver Lions (SL) Earned per Game
- Raw Numbers (Example Figures):
- Rafale: ≈ 8,431 SL/game
- F-15E: ≈ 6,816 SL/game
- Why It’s Not Just the Jet:
- SL earnings combine kill count, ground-strike damage, match survival time, and mission completion bonuses. An “overpowered” aircraft might net extra kills, but it cannot independently ensure multiple kills or prolonged survivability.
- A higher SL/game indicates a pilot is:
- Scoring kills efficiently,
- Completing ground-target strafes or bombing runs,
- Surviving until endgame for bonus multipliers.
All of those require deliberate, skillful play, not just “a better radar” or “faster acceleration.”
- Correlation to Stronger Players:
- Consistent Multi-Role Performance: Rafale pilots aren’t simply locking and yanking BVR targets; they’re also switching to ground-strikes or CAP (Combat Air Patrol) as needed, which a less experienced pilot might fumble.
- Extended Match Impact: Surviving long enough to accrue SL bonuses (airborne time, objective capture) reflects strong situational control—once again pointing to pilot skill beyond plane stats.
4. Tech Tree Self-Selection and Playrate Patterns
- Observation:
- Rafale’s playrate is lower than some 14.0 peer jets (e.g., F-15E) but yields disproportionately higher performance metrics.
- Other jets with similarly low usage (British/Italian Typhoon, Swedish F-18) do not show the same statistical dominance.
- Why It’s Not Just the Jet:
- If low playrate automatically meant “elite pilots only,” then every underused 14.0 should post similar KDR/W/R or SL/game numbers. They don’t. This inconsistency rules out “low usage = high skill” as a blanket explanation.
- The Rafale’s combination of playrate + high metrics implies a self-selection funnel: only players willing to grind the French line (knowing it’s a meta juggernaut) end up flying it. In contrast, minor 14.0 jets attract few players at all—and those are often casual testers, not high-skill mains.
- Correlation to Stronger Players:
- Meta Gravity: Rafale mains are actively chasing that jet because they expect it to be good. Their retention (they stay playing and mastering it) is higher than someone who unlocked an underwhelming 14.0, flew it once, then dropped it.
- Imbalance of Effort vs. Reward: The amount of “real money or grind hours” required to unlock the Rafale filters out casual drop-ins—leaving mostly committed, experienced pilots.
There you go.
All my arguments.
Jesus Christ, what a wall.
I’ll just break it in more pieces from now on.
Like Is my friend just automatically worse player when he plays usa jet? Since by your logic being worse on a jet means “skill issue” if the same player perform differently on the jets that means the player must be the variable and the jet must be the common dinominator right? But it is a different jet so it can’t be the common dinominator, so it have to be the varialbe right?
Kinda makes sense when you consider the year of nothing but F3 Vs Italian F16s and German Mig29s too name it’s tri-nation equivalents for that year
you would think dominating nations would have more worse players because its popular and dominating = good
but 70% of US players are people that want abrums and f-15
thats why US wr is so bad
I didn’t say that.
Do you understand the meaning of population?
Being an US main or X main does NOT mean they’re automatically worse.
That’s just dumb.
What it means, however, that on AVERAGE, analysis indicates that the US-playing population performs far more average than other populations.
Are you trying to purposely misunderstand my argument?
dude you can repost the yapping wall as much as you want. You still have no evidence for the whole basis of your argument which is “Rafale players are just all really good”