Rafale OP
Buff MICA
Rafale OP, but need more
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Most of not all 14.0s probably could go up to 14.3 now. But from my perspective at least in the typhoon, the C5 should give the typhoon some of the HOBS ability the R-77-1 and MICA EM have. Especially as we lack IR HOBS as well.
There is now room for buffing AAM-4, PL-12 and maybe MICA EM a bit as well and that would help create parity between the 14.0s.
Yes 13.0s would struggle even more in an uptier, but they already did anyway
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That’s factually incorrect, and not what I wrote.
As per my own words;
“It is the meta jet […] the jet itself is still extremely strong.”
“I’m not saying the Rafale isn’t strong. It is.”
You completely disregarded the part where I performed a multivariable analysis to associate why the Rafale’s playerbase may be performing better than other planes.
And they logically hold water.
By definition, they are empirically accurate assessments based on the data that YOU provided.
Do feel free to refute my point. Otherwise, you’re just flailing and saying that I’m incorrect without saying why.
Also, the literal biggest confouding variable (the PILOT) not worth engaging during a discussion about balance? LOL.
I do this for a living, chief.
What the hell do you mean? The holy trinity (F-15E, Typhoon, Rafale) already FACTUALLY seal clubs the entire 13 bracket.
It won’t fix the loop. If the planes are similar, they will simply pick the bigger numbers. And with the Rafale’s stats being the far superior plane right now, guess what will happen…
I mean just because they already struggle does not make it okay to make them struggle even more.
One can hope.
IIRC that statcard youve sent me earlier showed C5s having peak pull of 35Gs.
I personally wouldnt really call that HOBS capable missile, since it lacks TVC.
Ultimately my point was something different alltogether.
Whats the point of 120A/Bs now if not balancing factor to equalize better airframes with weaker ones?
you get paid for yapping?
yes thats exactly the thing if you make the other planes better more good players will get back to the other planes either for testing if the changes actually did something and because they dont feel as powerless as they feel now
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The 120C-5 is supposed have better AoA and a faster maneuvering time off the rails, which is what gives it the “HOB” performance coupled with the different rocket motor profile. The current iteration has neither the AoA improvement over the 120A/B and has the same 0.6 second maneuvering delay which is what kills the close in performance.
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C5 has 0.3 sec guidance
C5 is not modeled currently. It’s B with some extra range. If that remains the case, it is pretty worthless and hardly worth even mentioning it’s been added.
I am assuming it’s current stats are total placeholder
LOL.
Okay, buddy.
Factually incorrect; they will min-max and stick to the Rafale.
Once the Rafale becomes the statistical top dog, even if others are close, players will still:
- Prefer the Rafale due to community perception
- Get better results from it (because others perceive it to be better and optimize around it)
- Continue reinforcing the meta-loop
Assuming that there will be rational egalitarian on a number’s game is naive.
Same could be said for Aim-7M Vs Aim-7E
Or R-27ER Vs R-24R.
As things are added. Naturally the things with C5s will be higher.
Unless it changed with this mornings dev update it was changed to the same .6 delay as the A/B has.
im pretty sure it has 0.3 sec but then i dont update my info frequently enough so
We, as players, have absolutely no insight into what the experience and competency make-up of each respective tree is. At least not that I know of. Unless you’re Gaijin staff operating under a non-staff account, there is no way you can say US has more average players and France has more competent players. Even if the US tech tree has been around longer, even if they have more vehicles, again…there’s no data we have to back that claim up. Currently, both nations have a premium that can allow a new player who started at least within the last two years (Mirage F-1C was added in 2022, and say the F-4S in 2023) to mindlessly bomb/farm their way to top tier, without really learning the intricacies and limitations of dogfighting.
I feel like this is an unjust and overly-used stick to bash US mains that doesn’t actually have any data to back it up. I don’t see why Gaijin would share that because it just leads to bashing one nation over the other.
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Remains to be seen then.
Such prime opportunity for some monkey paw wish.
I want to believe you but realistically some poor fellas will be fighting F-35s in KWS/F.3 late sometime next june.
Thats just your opinion tho. Even in high tier League miniscule buffs have led to champs coming back into the meta, because guess what people also have preferences and in war thunders case they can even change BR. Its absolutely nonsensical to assume that a buff to other 14.0s wont bring good players back to said planes
Your multivariable analysis is just looking at the exact same variables as were discussed, and attributing the performance delta in favor of the Rafale primarily to player skill instead of aircraft performance, as it is more convenient for your point.
You did this for every point:
WR and KDR:
“The reason the Rafale is overperforming is cuz the players are better, the reason the F-15E/I are underperforming is cuz their players suck”
KPS and death rate:
“The reason the Rafale gets more kills per spawn is cuz it has better pilots, as is the reason it dies less. If it wasn’t cuz of the aircraft, the numbers would be closer”
A better aircraft will inherently have a higher KPS ratio and a lower death ratio, as the average player will find it easier to net kills and will be less likely to die.
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Once again, attributing better numbers wholly to superior player skill.
You have somehow gone hard into the numbers, shown that the Rafale is superior by every metric, and attributed this almost entirely to player skill. You’ve effectively just shot an arrow and painted a bullseye where it landed. That’s why your “multivariable analysis” isn’t worth considering; you’ve attributed your desired meaning to the analysis instead of just discussing the numbers and various potential reasons as to why they would stack up the way they did. Nothing you discussed points in any significant way to superior players beyond the basic videogame understanding that many top players are simply meta slaves.
Nobody was stating that the only factor causing the overperformance of the Rafale was solely due to how meta-defining the jet is, but it is the root of just about all the factors at the end of the day.
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But there also proofs that Captor M perfoms worse than other mec radars, but ps boys always hits different :D
It’s not my opinion; it’s, quite literally, how human psychology and competitive ecosystems works.
And it’s empirically observable. Higher-skill players flock to statistically superior vehicles, and that’s easily seen by how these meta vehicles perform well across the board, and that it all points to the same conclusion.
That’s, frankly speaking, very basic game design.