Either J-11B(S) or J-16. I ain’t good identifying them.
It looks like J-16, cuz IRST on side, not on centerline.
Its a J-16 as J-11BS cant mount PL-17.
The pl-17 look comical, anyone know how maneuverable they are? No way those fins provide enough turning capability
They are more maneuverable than conventional winged designs. The competitors to AMRAAM had a similar design, AIM-260 has a similar design, ASRAAM is a similar design.
don’t forget that vectoring engines are used for new generation missiles, I don’t know if the Pl17 has one but it’s the most logical way
The AIM-260 probably doesn’t use one, the ASRAAM doesn’t use one, the AIM-120D doesn’t use one, the R-77M doesn’t use one, the PL-12 and PL-15 do not use one. Thrust vectoring engines are not really worth the added weight or complexity except for a short range HOBS type missile.
I have seen nothing to suggest the PL-17 will use a thrust vectoring engine design.
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You let the body of the missile do the work. The fins pitch it in the desired direction a little bit and the airflow pushing against the body of the missile will do the rest. That’s why it is so thick
Earlier missiles without dual pulse motors would find themselves running out of energy trying to maneuver to hit a defensive target if they had such a design. Body-lift missiles like ASRAAM bleed excessive energy by maneuvering like that as it requires quite a bit of AoA.
With dual pulse motors, this is less of a problem. It is only launched against targets at ranges where both pulses are required if the target is something large and incapable of out-maneuvering it - like AWACS and such.
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That’s a J-16, specifically an early block J-16 before they started to adopt low-vis grey paint.
Also using WS-10A engine and not WS-10D on the latest blocks.
You mean to separate motors? you could call it dual pulse missile but not motor, they are two separate solid fuel rocket engines.
Unless somebody mounted a restartable liquid fuel rocket in those, that would be impressive
It is dual pulse, you are arguing against semantics.
Is it possible for the J11B to carry 8+4? Are there any related images?
Also, can the J11B be called a 14.0 fighter? If it’s 6+4?
It will have PL-12s and PL-8Bs, coupled with a great radar and a decent flight model. It will definitely be 14.0 capable.
J11B should be 14.0 although I would say it will be considerably weaker than F15E or EF.
There are a few problems with J11B :
PL12s not nearly as capable as AMRAAM, at least not RN.
Chaff count, vs the F15s the 96 CMs might be a bit constraining if used to climb some height.
Also I am slightly worried about how good is the actual plane, cause JF17 is already f’d up when it came out. Gaijin could also decide to add better AMRAAM or AIM9X just to ruin the day even worse without decompression.
Prototype j11b had dual pl12 launchers under the engines
Those are dual pylons for dumb rockets, not PL-12s.
The J-11B was actually supposed to appear with the F-15C, but it came too late, just because of that PL8B.