I mean J11Bs are very similar, and they are merely standards rather than code given for a specific batch, cause very often, as seen on J8s the earlier blocks are upgraded to later standards, such as J8H to J8HF, which has the ability to carry ARHs. Could very well be the same situation although in terms of outward appearance nothing changes.
I don’t think so, haven’t heard about this before. It’s strange to use PESA radar, J-10B use it only for transition, and AESA problem solved very quickly.
We do know PESA can be a software and antenna only upgrade if the processor is powerful enough anyway, such as PERO is compatible with N001. Which would partially make sense if PLA did the same, I mean after all they couldn’t be spotted at all by appearance, although I think it was like a CCTV program that had a J11B in the picture and said they featured ESA radars, although CCTV weren’t known for their military expertise especially for saying ‘unguided missiles’ all the time.
It was equipped with chinese pylons so unless they are compatible with russian A-A missiles then no, I don’t think it can
Damn, do you know if pl8b is as maneuverable off the rail as the r73?
It’s basically still a Python-3, but better rocket and better flight control, so should have more mobility than PL-8/Python3, but no TVC, so not maneuverable as R-73 with TVC
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Unfortunately no, PL-8 models were never equipped with thrust vectoring, expect that type of manoeuvrability with the PL-10 and not the PL-8
PL-8B has a more powerful rocket motor though, which will give it a boost in range.
I’m aware, but this will only marginally affect it’s pull off of the rail, I’m more excited for the dual band IRCCM to be modelled since it will make china and israel uniquely powerful in the interim between 4th and 5th gen IR missiles
it’s modeled, they have multi-element seeker, so their IRCCM will be like manpads in game, combine both R-73 type and AIM-9M type IRCCM.
clearly not very well, since it’s a well known fact that the seekerheads of both the PL-5Eii and PL-8B share technology with that of the TY-90, yet the latter still shows flare rejecting performance miles ahead of the former, at some point this will be fixes but it is in no way functioning correctly or to it’s full potential
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that’s why pl-8b is not in game, it has similar IRCCM to TY-90(multi-element seeker)
pl5eii is 2 element seeker, similar to R-73 and Aim-9m
though I think gaijin messed pl-5e and pl-5eii, some source say e2 also has multi element seeker, while e is 2 element
In fact, the PL8B was known for its off rail efficiency being incredibly bad as there is a range of as long as 200m where it can not manoeuvre and therefor some pilots opted for PL5s for dogfight training, which also has better IRCCM.
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That’s mainly because of how fast the PL-8B is off the rail. The improved motor means that the fins simply can’t keep up with the acceleration, and also the PL-8 itself is a pretty heavy IR missile.
Decided to make a list of the engines that Chinese Flankers use. I am not sure if early J-15 uses AL-31F or AL-31F3 like Su-33.
AL-31F - Max AB thrust of 122.6KN, powers J-11, J-11A, Su-30MKK, Su-30MK2 and early J-11B production block. J-15 is either using AL-31F or F3 with 125.57KN of AB thrust.
WS-10A (early) - Max AB thrust of 132KN, powers J-11B block 2 including twin-seat variants.
WS-10A (late) - This is just newer batch WS-10A with improved reliability and subsequent uprating of thrust. Max AB thrust of 138-140KN, powers J-11BG and variants, early J-16, and canceled J-11D.
WS-10D - Max AB thrust of 144KN, powers the current block J-16.
WS-10H - WS-10 developed specifically for naval use, with anti-corrosion treatment. Max AB thrust of 144KN, powers J-15B/T.
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Any idea about what adaptations they made with J20, cause some one suggests the only reason for delay of WS15 is that WS10 is already powerful enough.
J-20 is using WS-10C which is in the 14-ton thrust range, although concrete numbers are difficult to come by. some sources state 142KN, others state 147KN. I’m more inclined to believe the latter 147KN number since the original thrust target for the WS-15 is in the 150-160KN range. It is also possible that the WS-10C now has even more thrust in a similar manner to the early WS-10A versus current production WS-10A. WS-10C is an engine that is specifically tailored for the J-20 and features improvements over other WS-10 variants in decreasing heat signature (IR) which is important as most fighters now use IRST, as well as reducing noise.
The J-20’s empty weight is quite light for a 5th-generation fighter, and with ≥ 147KN will already allow it to hit certain design performance targets of J-20 with the original WS-15, such as supercruise. So WS-15 went back to the drawing board to become even more powerful for use on J-20A, there are rumors of up to 18 tons of thrust.
They have started to equip WS15 now, I’ve seen ones with two different engines, one obviously WS10 variant, the other quite weird, most likely WS15.
WS-15 variant is called J-20A. There are many other differences compared to original J-20, such as different radome and likely different radar, avionics, ECM, new inlet bump for the DSI intakes, and a streamlined hump behind the canopy to decrease drag.
Do any of the Chinese flankers bring improved countermeasures?