Guess what, PL-12s only sits in pairs of 2 on the J8F, its logical that you won’t see as many kills dude… like think about it. Like it is literally math… The F15C has up to 8 AIM-120, and the AIM-120 sits on the F16C, result? you get plenty of AIM-120s, R77s and MICAs compared to PL-12s since… you have 2 PL-12s per J8F…
I’ve played with it and to me it feels fine lol. It pulls 38gs so its fine, same with AIM-120, you don’t necessarily need 50+G to have a good missile, considering it is fox3. The AIM-120 is one of the best performing fox3s and has barely 35Gs but people use it confidently in close range and IT WORKS.
That argument would make sense if it wasn’t for the fact I’ve played 150 battles so far since the update dropped (including only Air RB), even if it does carry 2 missiles which I’m already aware of it should add up.
I’ve played with it and to me it feels fine lol. It pulls 38gs so its fine, same with AIM-120, you don’t necessarily need 50+G to have a good missile, considering it is fox3
Any form of pro is still a pro, the R-77 has a lot of advantages over the PL-12 and the biggest difference is the burn time for the engine and the amount of g-force it can pull.
Also the burn time is not the only stat that has to be considered, if the missile burns longer but has less output of overall energy it doesn’t make the missile better
Well it does matter when you are talking about the wobble, it will be more present when the missile slows down and a longer burn time prevents this for a longer duration.
Clip of the R-77 outranging the PL-12
Talking about warhead, the PL-12 has less compared to the R77 but more compared to the AIM-120, with the latter being prolly the best missile in game
This would make a difference if the R-77 didn’t have a advantage in nearly all aspects, I mentioned this because this is ANOTHER advantage the R-77 holds, you are underplaying it to make it seem dogsh*t horrible which it isn’t.
So will you just ignore the fact that the AIM-120 is pretty much the same in terms of stats as the PL-12, has less warhead, less burn time etc… but is better compared to the R77s in basically everything not counting Gs? More burn time doesn’t equal more energy.
When was the testing done and give the full clip if you want to argue with that.
I’ve been waiting for anybody to do tests AFTER the update dropped but so far i haven’t seen vids on my yt homepage.
There you go, the test is not useful. The missiles weren’t finished in the Dev server and most of them were literally placeholder, i’ll wait for a test on the live server to judge.
They had their unique chrematistics already, the only copy was the Derby and R-Darter lmao (of the AIM-120), small changes were done and the only major difference was the MICA-EM which had a major overhaul.
Well I had the PL-12 in the developer server and now, the only real difference was the loft, it was decreased since it seemed to loft a little too much (aka it didn’t change much like I said).
The AAM-4 is pretty different compared to the test server
Yeah I wasn’t including that since to be real nobody besides a small player base cares about that, it wasn’t even included in nearly all tests.
Don’t know, once again i haven’t seen any tests and i only have seen R77s thanks to DEFYN’s video so i can’t fully judge but PL-12s IMO still felt nice to play with.
The PL-12 seems to have the exact same issue. Firing at long ranges, the missile wobbles unnecessarily & can’t build up its energy for long flight. The range seems to be sort of artificially cut off by this as it loses too much energy to maneuver well over longer ranges. PL-12 is seemingly inferior to AMRAAM rn, only benefiting from the fact it can fight people who have never seen a fox-3 before and have no clue what to do.
The missile isn’t performing well, and it has negatively effected the efficiency of all other systems on the jet due to the increase in BR. Where the J-8F used to have 6 top class missiles for the BR, it now has only 2. Where the FM used to be competitive for 11.7, it’s now sub par vs F-15/16s. While you can still get kills with the PL-12, it has not been a good thing for the J-8F in its current implementation.
Indeed, I am happy about their addition, but like all other FOX-3s other than AMRAAM/Phoenix, they are currently bugged and it is not good for their efficiency. Let us hope gaijin is quick to resolve the oscillation issues with PL-12, and similarly so for the other issues such as AAM-4s incorrect performance, R-Darter/Derby’s intense loft that often makes them miss, or the wobbles of R-77/MICA that limits them to the role of WVRAAMs (yes, they are shorter ranged than some of the others, but not as they are in game).
I got r-77 for j-11a, and I found it really suffers. Most disadvantage can be made up, except the Radar.
I found it hard to attack enemy between 10-20km, your HMD is 10km, and your TWS or SRC is scaning slowly, before you get a lock or get in 10km to use HMD, the AIM-120 is on it’s way.
