Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

@MiG_23M You can try to start with the foreign trade specific missile PL-9C. The PL-9 series is a missile developed specifically to solve the problem of the inability to export PL-8. PL-9 Guidance Head=PL-8A, PL-9C Guidance Head=PL-8B


Anyone know what this is? This looks a lot like the flankers. It might be based on the flankers.

Should be a prop for a book, at least it was the suggestion i’ve seen on X.

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It’s sci-fi most likely

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Perhaps it is China’s self-developed 6th generation fighter jet “Bai Di”
He appeared at the 2023 Air Show along with the “Xuan Nu” and “Nan Tian Men Plan”

Bai Di

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Xuan Nu

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So its a real project?

I highly doubt we would be able to see so much of it if it was an actual 6th gen project.

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Thats true. China usually maintains secrecy about their upcoming projects

Perhaps? But good night now, it’s already 11:30 pm. See you tomorrow morning

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Mostly be regarded as a cultural and creative projects, but nobody knows, like SR-72 Darkstar ;)
But considering AVIC have announced that ground-based Fighter will be named X龙 (X Dragon/Loong) and carrier-based will be named X鲨(X Shark), the naming is really illogical

@MightyBaozi
The “Nan Tian Men Plan” video released by CCTV Military Channel

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Chinese Air Power, by Yefim Gordon

Sometimes we can’t be super picky with sources, if he has info on the Pl-8B seeker, it would be helpful.

I used to have information that linked the Pl-9C seeker to being the same one on the Pl-8B and TY-90, but I don’t seem to have saved it unfortunately. We either need another source on the 8B seeker being multi element + DSP (data signal processing) or we need 2 sources saying the seeker is the same as the 9C/TY-90. I have a Chinese book on their missiles, so I can prove the 9C and TY-90 uses multi-element + DSP, but oddly the 8B is left out and only briefly talked about the base Pl-8. I do have another book coming ~next week, it may or may not have more information.

Regardless, I think the reason the 8B isn’t in game yet is because it would be heavily nerfed, we are talking about a missile with the same seeker technology as the TY-90. IRL, it is almost impossible to flare if they are using a good algorithm with the DSP, hence DIRCM or long continuous flare drops needed to combat it with any form of success.

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Yes I agree but I feel like the developers are extremely picky on sources, especially with China partly due to the huge number of edited photos and partly due to most of the chinese information are classified.

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Please this seems to be a rather personal discussion, could you two keep it in your dms?

Interesting but i don’t really know what to get from these… like it is an official project and its advertised by CCTV?

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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vqbCmqSXz3Es

My book arrived early. We got 2 sources now saying the radarset on the J-11A is the N001VE. Cockpit is also incorrect as I suspected, should have 2 MFD’s, one being added on as the A upgrade package. Additionally RWR is also incorrect in game, the author unfortunately doesn’t know/state which RWR is used but he notes that the RWR antennas are different than the J-11/Su-27SK.

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Which one is your new source? cause in the other bug report the accepted one was the:
From The Dragon’s Claws: Assessing China’s PLAAF Today, Vayu Aerospace, Issue IV 2017, page 15:
“In 1999, an upgraded version of the J-11, equipped with new N001V/ VE radar flew for the first time and was designated the J-11A. Seven PLAAF units are equipped with this variant.”

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Modern Chinese Military Aircraft 1990-Present; Ryan Cunningham, it’s very new, released this year IIRC.