Oh i meant on the flankers directly
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Not currently but they should be
The flanker should also not recover from post stall maneuvers as easy as it does.
The manual goes over that as well. And the sink rates from doing it are very high.
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Maybe against a hornet but anything else that has aim 120d like the f15 ge
Pl12a just dont do good
Pl12s were better pre patch snd theyre still better, meta hasnt shifted so much were now range triumphs maneuverability. If you can notch you will have a better time with pl12 by virtue of having to commit less, the main problem here is the ouny cm count which is not competitive at 14.7
Its not a matter of notching
Its a matter that my pl12 is unable to hit past 20 km and even within those it just runs out of energy
You can barely put early pressure on people at a br where everything has good enough missiles to reach you at range
Yes its better at close range than the aim 120 because its more maneuverable but everything else is quite bad
They do, at trade shows and trade shows only, but people don’t go to trade shows like zhuhai airshow just to grab catalogues and upload them to WT
Enough energy to reach you if youre flying straight, jf youre getting hit in the early game you have more things to worry about than your missiles, the meta isnt bvr, whilst the ranges were pushed further with the proliferation of aesa the average engagements still happen st 15/25kms, notching is marginally harder because of the aesa buffs they did, not hard enough that you should struggle if you could before the update, aim120ds are not the missile you should be working about theyre still the same crap you were fighting before just with a marginal maneuverability buff.
Low k makes all the difference, started taking all aim 120 c 5s and man, honestly I think they’re now the most meta missile in game. Insane range and because of the changes to aesa most people jsut explode.
Now I think best planes are->
30sm2
Aesa euro
Rafale
Grippy
F15c
30sm/mkm
18e
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I dont agree really. Maneuverability is still crap, and whilst aesas are stronger it doesnt really change how you defend against them compared to before, i havent noticed any hits that i would have otherwise missed pre patch, ive tried using the new extended launch limits but the missile takes so long to pull that it stops burning by the time its on target,
any buff is better than none and aesa pushing ranges a but further is good for the aim120 as it is ingame, but its not enough for it to be a meta missile on anything that isnt ef2k aesa(which was true even before aim120d was a thing) thats more because of the insane flight perfomance of the ef2k paired with the radar rather than aim120d.
Too little too late, r-77-1 and Mica are still the best missiles bar none.
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have you even played the j10 or any plane that use pl12
Because if not you dont know how poor the performance of that missile
The only good thing about it is it maneuverability and all the rest is either bad or ok
And the platform that can carry it aren’t even that great against what it faces at the br
Even with the j15t going at mach 1.5 at high altitude pl 12 barely reach mach 4
Its literally just a slightly better r77
Pl12a since it has no drift its always pin point on the the target and somewhat improves a little bit its energy retention but its marginal at best
I would rather play with aim 120D on the f15ge if i had one
I don’t want to dwell too much on the range of the PL-12 anymore. The PL12 is just an old Fox 3 missile with an 80 km range, the PL12A, apart from the seeker update, has no other changes… There’s simply no way to compare its range with the 120C or R771. The reason they achieve 120 km is due to improved thrust and reduced drag—it’s not just a result of extending the seeker’s battery life. And the MICA, with its unique seeker and 50G overload capability, is not easily evaded. Furthermore, the Rafale can launch it with exceptional energy. Clearly, neither the J-10 nor the J-15 at BR 14.3 and beyond possess these advantages—you lack an improved missile and an aircraft capable of launching older Fox-3 missiles with that kind of exaggerated velocity.
And your target isn’t a bot flying straight in a test range. Your real opponents, as long as they don’t make mistakes, can maneuver to evade most missiles. I don’t deny that the PL12 is quite excellent compared to other older Fox 3 missiles, but it is insufficient at BR 14.3. Within engagement distances of 2–30 km, the PL-12’s energy bleed is significantly worse than that of the 120C/D and 771. Your opponents can launch Fox 3 missiles at you much earlier, while the PL12 cannot. You can only leverage the PL12’s strengths in close engagements.
The fact that the PL-12 appears at BR 13.0, alongside missiles like the 120A and R77, indicates that Gaijin does not consider it an overpowered Fox-3. It is not like the R771, 120C/D, or MICA, which are reserved for jets at BR 14.0 and above.
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Stop shooting at target 30 kilometers out, the meta hasnt shifted to such an insane degree that pl12 went from one of the best to one of the worst. Most fight still happen under 20 kilometers, pl12a is a bigger upgrade to pl12 than ain120d is to aim120c5 by virtue of having use for the expanded launch limits
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Come on mate, aim120s are not in the same tier as r771 or mica. What the hell do you think happened In the last patch that made aim120s from the worst to some of the best top tier missiles? And pl12 from being third best to being eorse than even aim120s?
Amd that is exactly where the problems are with the J-15T.
You have to get within 20km yo get your PL12A to work, but you absolutely don’t want to get within that distance due to your low CM count and fliggt performance.
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That is something i can 1000% understand im not claiming the j15t is in a good place and viable. Im just talking missiles
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Come on, after the recent patch, I think the 120D is the best missile, especially when carried by the F15GE. It has the propulsion of the 120C, a superior seeker, and its hit rate is unmatched by older seekers. The old seekers often lose lock at long range because the target has time to react and maneuver, but the120D allows me to engage at much greater distances with its new seeker, securing the kill. You know what I mean?
Now, back to the PL12. Above BR 14.0, isn’t the most important thing greater propulsion and range? The PL12’s range limitation is magnified here, making it the weakest in this tier. In solo you simply won’t have the advantage unless you get within its effective 20 km envelope—but good luck getting anyone to close that distance with you.
theoretically, the seekers are still much same, gps helps when you shoot at someone at low altitude with great ground clutter, the missile can rely on GPS guidance to guide. in higher altitude, the longer locking range and big radar fov makes gps and iog no difference.
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New seekers have a much better hit rate against targets on the 3-9 line. As long as your radar maintains illumination, the enemy needs to perform more precise defensive maneuvers and deploy more countermeasures to break the missile lock. Missiles equipped with the new seeker have a significantly stronger suppressive effect on the enemy.
in lower altitude, the lower, the stronger ground clutter, gps helps better
high altitude bvr condition, iog can work almost same
the problem for PL-12s is, J-15t’s flight performance is not so good, while PL-12’s energy is lower than 120C/D and R-77-1, in lower altitude, the drag makes them not so much difference, but in high altitude and speed with low drag, the energy difference is significant, the 20km fight range expend to 30-40km in SU-30SM2 when doing high speed/altitude BVR