so where screwed basically
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anyone test fly J15T yet how does it handle is it close to the SM2 in a dogfight ?
Is there any chance that ws10b is better than what we saw on dev?
Supposed to but Gaijin made up fake thrust curve, idk if it is placeholder or not.
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Yeah this is ridiculous
the internals of WS-10B have also changed significantly compared to WS-10A, so to replicate the exact same curve isn’t how it works. This is not how engines work as well.
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To the best of my knowledge, the WS-10B primarily increases airflow. I’m not entirely sure what effect this has on its high-speed thrust curve. However, given the intake compatibility issues between the original Su-27/J-11 and the WS-10A, both the J-15 and J-16 have redesigned intakes, so they should presumably have lower channel loss.
We might now know exactly 100%, but the fact that it loses out to even AL-31FN S3 on the J-10C early batch is funny as hell.
So the PLAAF decided to replace the AL-31FN S3 which was fine on the J-10C with an engine that performs worse at high speed???
Not to mention the airframe actually got heavier because in WT somehow WS-10B is heavier than WS-10A.
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I can say with absolute certainty that this weight figure is incorrect, because the calculation I referenced in the J-10 thread was based on an early‑batch J‑10C retrofitted with the WS‑10B engine, which came out to around 8.7 tons.
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Yeah, let’s move to the J-10C thread and get the weight problem solved first. If WS-10B weight goes down it will also help the J-15T.
I also have some doubts about the weight of the J-15T. It’s known that the original J-15 has an empty weight of around 17.5 tons (conservatively speaking, let’s assume this is the bare empty weight). Although the J-15T has a reinforced nose landing gear, the overall landing gear is shorter, and its airframe weight reduction measures are more extensive than those of the original J-15. Therefore, its empty weight should be comparable to the J-15’s, or perhaps slightly heavier, so a figure between 17.5 and 18 tons would be more reasonable.
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Part of the reason is because of the weight gain from WS-10B, I think.
Which is not accurate as WS-10B is not heavier than WS-10A.
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Also if you can, check this
from my perspective, gaishit is being extremely negative about the j15t engine, TWR and etc… I really hope it’s a different aircraft by the end of dev
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It’s never an easy process
The problem is we really don’t have too many sources we can use for fighters like the J-15T, which only entered service starting from very late in 2024.
We know much more about the J-16, heck. We know more about the J-20.
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with all the knowledge we have, its difficult to accept things as they are now, Im not even the biggest fan of chinese TT, I just want everyone to have good and competitive planes
This is why imo Gaijin should make changes if they are:
- Reasonable to expect given the technical expertise of the era available to a nation.
- Do not significantly alter the balance in favor of the nation.
- Supported by at the very least, anecdotal evidence.
The current model of needing exact, very precise sources when pretty much everything is classified in the modern era just doesn’t work out well.
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Given its late service entry in 2024, another implication is that the J-15T should logically possess the most advanced radar in the game, likely derived from the same technological baseline as the J-20A. Consequently, its real‑world performance figures might be quite astonishing—some unofficial source claimed two to three times that of the early‑batch J-20, which would translate to a detection range of 400‑600 km against a 1 m² RCS target. I’m really curious what data Gaijin will end up giving it.
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The WS‑10 series has a terrifyingly large thrust loss during startup. What’s Gaijin doing?
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