R77-1 Is Better than Pl12
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Now knowing that the R-77-1 isn’t realistic (restricted*) by maximum launch angle, I’d probably enjoy using it as well - It’d probably be tied for the best air to air missile in my book alongside the MICA-EM - @TPS_Hydra
Yeah the R-77-1 is better overall, I agreed in the message above (and some other messages a while back), China could use the PL-12A right about now.
Embarrassing typo as well, meant restricted
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Fixing the PL-12 and AAM-4 is more practical than adding the PL-12A at this stage. If parameters like drag remain unchanged and the propulsion data of the SD-10A from DCS is adopted, the PL-12 would achieve long-range performance comparable to the AIM-120C and R-77-1 while retaining its current maneuverability. However, the PL-12A shares its rocket motor with the PL-15, making its introduction into the game impossible without significant nerfs to its performance.
In the test shown in the figure below, the guidance duration and flight range limits were removed for all missiles, and identical loft parameters were applied.
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Fixed engine data for the PL-12 and PL-12A.
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Tbf the R-77 and R-77-1 could have their drag models tweaked slightly as well
Based on the HUD footage released by Russia, if the in-game air density distribution at varying altitudes is accurate, the current R-77-1 demonstrates shorter-than-realistic range when launched from high altitude against low-altitude targets, yet exceeds its actual range when engaging high-altitude targets. This indicates that the R-77-1 is modeled with excessive drag (or an inaccurate drag curve) while having overpowered propulsion.
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bad modelling of grid fins I think, it should have less drag but bigger equivalent area.
I’m unsure whether the current CXK values for missiles account for the fins. If grid fin drag is modeled separately, then the CXK for the R-77 series, AAM-4, and PL-12 should all be reduced to below 1.5, with their drag characteristics instead reflected through the body’s fineness ratio and fins’equivalent area. Additionally, grid fins should experience an aerodynamic shock stall within a specific range of the transonic and low supersonic regimes.
Just note from what we’ve seen the model of the missile of PL-12 is tweaked for PL-12A.
IDK about that, think they are just ‘weird’ normal fins as modelled.
That does seem about right from what I have seen, although the drag at high AoA could be reduced although I am not sure how much that helps.
I’m not quite sure what you mean. Currently, both the PL-12 and SD-10A in the game are modeled using the SD-10A’s weight to match the SD-10’s range performance. They have no connection to the PL-12A.
I was refering to ur test results.
I mean that for PL-12A the model is slightly different to PL-12 so the drag will (I assume) also be different. Just saying that to say that the PL-12A is not simply PL-12 with more thrust, and that as a result it is still kinda under Gaijin’s influence as to what they make of the model.
The PL-12A has an identical external shape to the PL-12, with only a difference in weight, so both share the same drag parameters.
As a copy paste premium it’d be nice for a new rank 8 premium, regardless of if it comes as a fox1 or fox3 plane, though it seems Gaijin has decided JH7 bombing will be the sloption of choice for China.
But as a tech tree addition it’s a waste of time and RP. It’ll either be a worse SU-27SK/J-11 with ERs only, a slightly better J-11A if given R-77s, or a significantly worse J-11B if given PL-12s. Either way all of those sitting at 13.7 is just splitting hairs. They’d be better off just giving the J-11A the SPO L-150 it should have and calling it a day, move on to giving us actual new top tier additions like we’ve been missing.
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I was waiting for a good top tier jet to grind China. I guess i have to wait another year.
Be patient we have only few vehicles, gaijin said this year we will get 2 major updates so maybe they will show us that new jet in teaser.
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F-15C golden eagle
it isnt that likely that china will get any new jet the coming update imo
Still i will hope for the new jet for china maybe not in this update but for sure this year
with the US getting a new Eagle, i have some hopes for more flankers J-15 wouldnt be too far fetched imo
iam a bit unsure tho what they are going to do for christmas, with the US getting a F-15 now i dont think that they will get a new top / high tier jet for christmas
my prediction was that we will get Su-35, F-15EX and the Gripen E this christmas, as a homage for the update where the F-15 and Flanker were added but now with their more advanced versions
so now iam thinking that they are going to withhold the F-15EX and Su-35 for another update or so and they might add the Gripen E and J-10C for christmas
Manifesting j10c + su30mk2 combo
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i would imagine that gaijin releases the J-10C and Gripen E in the same update and we have neither of those on the leak list, so iam on the fence about that
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Tbf i don’t know if that new F-15 is a 14.0 material, 8 missile + new radar it’s fine but not enough for 14.3 or to match with current top dogs