Man I’m calling it now, Chinas first 14.0 is gonna be the J-11B late… literally copy pasted but with 8KN more thrust
Man… i had to put a filter on the image for this damn site to allow me to upload the image?
Man… i had to put a filter on the image for this damn site to allow me to upload the image?
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no pls, i want my J10C
Given that Gaijin has completely botched the J-10A’s FM, I honestly don’t think the heavier and slower J-10C would be a good choice.
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I wouldn’t mind a J-11B with more thrust.
but it already overspeed easily on the deck so it wouldn’t really be too good i think apart from high ALT BVR.
AKA we need the J-16 😏
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The J-11BG is a suitable choice, considering the PL-10/15 missiles won’t be coming to the game anytime soon, while the J-10C and J-16 are heavily tied to the PL-10/15.
Ps. There’s an AESA on J-10BG, not only more thrust.
Issue is i don’t think there is a single bit of information on its radar. Atleast I’ve never seen any
The J-10B/C and J-16 we Atleast know the T/R count
It’s generally believed that the J-11BG’s radar has around 1500 T/R modules, though the exact source is unknown.
Definitely sounds plausible it’s pretty much in-between the ~1200 and ~1700 on the J-10 and J-16
Is the Chinese top tier air tree worth grinding to? It seems like it has a lot of cool 4th/4.5 gen jets to add I have the Russian flanker line done and wonder what sort of gameplay changes there are compared to Russian vs Chinese flankers
Currently Chinese flankers are just worse. In the future, Generally Russian flankers will be better for air to ground, as china will probably never get a domestic kh38 equivalent (although they will literally get an su35 so they will probably get kh38s ig).
For air to air, Chinese flankers get aesa compared to the su-35 pesa, but all esa radars are modeled the same in game so it won’t really matter.
For war thunder purposes the radar on the su-35 should be vastly superior, because it can gimbal 250 degrees compared to the 120-140 of the j-16/j-11b (g)? (Whatever the late j11b are called).
J16 will get more cms than the su-35 and it will also get much better air to air missiles than the su-35, however it will carry much less missiles, 12 arh missiles and 2 ir of the su-35 compared to the 8 arh and 4 ir missiles of the j-16. The ir missiles of su-35 will be better for wt purposes, but the arh missiles not including r37m will be vastly inferior.
So air to ground Russian flanker is just superior air to air wise there’s tradeoffs.
But like you might as well grind out china cause they will also get the best Russian flanker while they’re also gonna get probably the most meta fifth gens after the su57m
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anyone got any idea on what the azimuth coverage/max range of j16 ,j15 radar ?
J10C would be better than than the j10A despite being slightly heavier, because of the ws10B engine which no, it would not make it slower at all.
It would also allow it to recover speed much more quickly, because of the better acceleration which could probably make the J10 even better in stallfights than it currently is.
as well as the various avionics and missile upgrades.
On top of that, the J10 flight model is vastly superior to any flanker currently in game.
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Tbf it doesn’t take a lot to beat the flankers FM
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i just wonder how much wing loading is gonna affect j-10c, it’s around 1500 kg heavier than the j10a. while yes it gets more thrust it’s still gonna be somewhat a fat pig. altho imo, it’s still gonna be better than any chinese flanker for air to air
Spoiler
Around 1450 kg heavier than j-10a
This is the J-11,15,16 thread not J-10
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Was the J-11BG made before the J-16?
I was looking into the source of the image people use for the J-16’s radar
This one and I found it’s from a paper called “modern radar” dated september 2012 so wayy before the J-16 was revealed or leaked.
And it mentions its passed environmental test and flight verification. So it’s been used before 2012
So question being could it actually be the 11BG/D’s radar?
First flight of the J16 was around 2011-2012 so still possible
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J-11BG was made after 2017.
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According to data provided by the Pakistan Air Force, the WS-10B has a thrust of 144 kN (~14,700 kgf). With the J-10CE’s empty weight of 9,750 kg, this yields a rough thrust-to-weight ratio of 1.5077. Most PLA-operated J-10Cs use the AL-31FN Ser.5 engine with 14,000 kgf thrust, resulting in a thrust-to-weight ratio of 1.436. Gaijin models the J-10A with an empty weight of 8,300 kg and thrust of ~12,500 kgf, giving it a 1.506 thrust-to-weight ratio. This reveals that the J-10C holds no advantage in thrust-to-weight ratio. Moreover, its significantly increased empty weight would undermine the maneuverability that the J-10A excels in. Additionally, based on data released by the PLAN, the J-10C’s maximum speed has been downgraded to Mach 1.8.
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This engine appeared literally only in 2024
Does anyone have the source to this document? I’ve looked for it but I’ve been unable to find where it comes from
All I can find is this but I can’t acess the document to verify it it’s the same https://d.wanfangdata.com.cn/thesis/D02608004