Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

it should have quite some thrust if their presentation is to be belived, no specific numbers tho

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J-15t only modern flanker in chinese service (that’s not su-35) that still uses al-31 engine/deritative then right?

I believe the AL-31F-3 Ser.45 incorporates some components from the 99M series. On one hand, the PLA has a long-standing tradition of deep collaboration with Salyut; on the other hand, the PLAN is currently the sole customer for the naval variant of the AL-31F. UEC has no reason to develop a naval engine based on other requirements.

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If modern flanker means equipped with AESA radar, you are right.

SU-30MKK and MK2 aswell

the Su-35 uses the Al-41 and i dont think that is different for the chinese ones

al-41 is a derivative of al-31, which is why i specified deritatives in that post. also what do you mean by this

The F-22 engines are a derivative of the F-15A engines as well, would you say it is the same engine?

that i dont think that the chinese Su-35’s have a different engine compared to the russian ones

well idk anything about the the f-119. However I do know that the al-41 was actually based off the al-31 and shares like 20% parts commonality or something. The first actual clean sheet design for a russian engine was the izd 30/al51

20% parts commonality isnt that much and those 20% might be auxilary stuff like oil coolers
i dont really see it be any other way with the al-41 hovaing a bigger diameter than the al-31

On my ever continuing hunt for J-16 cockpit bits I found a “clear” image of the little triangular MFD on the right side
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Anyone more familiar with MFD pages and such able to identify what information they have on it?

Seems to have two dials at the top so I’d assume it’s engine telemetry of some sort

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I’ve pretty much pieced together what the MFD’s and general layout is but I’ve never found any images of the throttle or buttons/panels on the sides

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Except the few scenes from the Chinese top gun movie
But I don’t think they used a real J-16 for that…



The MFD button layout doesn’t match the real J-16 and the joystick is wrong aswell

of course not, real, and it’s really a bad movie with bad air fight and bad CG/model

what I saw is “current J-15T wont use WS-10, because the test is not done yet, but in the future it will switch to WS-10”

Salyut/Saturn‘s 2024 Annual financial report mentioned they delivered several AL-31FN series 5, could be for old J-10B/C’s replace engine

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Source:歼15为什么一直用俄发?_哔哩哔哩_bilibili

they are not the only source. Though it’s reasonable, but other source also mentioned WS-10 navy is still progressing, maybe it will be just a backup, or maybe used only a few like J-10C late.

Backup is reasonable. Unlike the J-10C deployed at land bases, even if a few subsequent batches adopt the WS-10, it would require supporting at least three different engine types on carriers—an unacceptable and unnecessary logistical burden. Considering the total demand for J-15Ts across the three existing carriers is only around 50 airframes, while over 70 units have already been produced, it’s safe to say the likelihood of future engine replacement is highly unlikely.

can be used centralized, could be for the forth carrier.

Based on current deployments, assuming a 1:1 ratio of J-15Ts to J-35s,the Liaoning would carry 12 J-15Ts plus 12 J-35s, the Shandong maintains the same configuration, and the Fujian would carry 24 of each—requiring only 48 J-15Ts total across all three carriers. With over 100 legacy J-15s and more than 70 new J-15Ts already produced, these numbers are fully sufficient for a fourth carrier. On the other hand, concentrating WS-10-powered J-15Ts on a single vessel would create discrepancies in control response for pilots transitioning between flight school and actual deployment, necessitating additional training costs.

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The promotional video indicates the RD-33MK produces 9,000 kgf thrust, with booth data confirming this is measured at static conditions—sea level, zero airspeed, under standard atmosphere. Assuming all specifications in this video follow the same standard, the 14,000 kgf thrust figure would likewise represent static thrust.

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Bit strange considering earlier models already surpassed this thrust. RD93 as well. Might be different conditions but still.