I mean, to be fair, does PLAAF even employ a great variety in their camos to begin with?
no, that’s why you can easily identify a Chinese Flanker by its camos.
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But even here it literally only 4 variants (+ raddome): Full Gray, Full Black, Full White and Light Gray + Deep gray. It all just shades of gray… except 30MK2
grey is beautiful.
but yes, that’s why I always need this sheet to identify them, it’s quite hard to remember all these grey
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Super disappointed, first the J11 had a Su35S camo, cool! But then they give the same camo to the j10?? Then The J11A comes, cool a J16 camo!!! J11B, same thing?? Like frankly there’s other cool camos for these planes on WT live with markings and details but no, just have Su35S and J16 skins from now on.
Chinese-made aircraft are copied from the Su-27 and its modifications, so these discussions are appropriate here.
Could we please stop throwing unnecessary insults and maintain a respectful discussion?
The thread IS about Chinese flankers, since the aircrafts are similar it is allowed to mention the other part of the flanker family but if the discussion dives too deep into the Russian side it can be moved to the other thread.
Please keep this thread clean.
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IDK but what does grayish mean?
I missed the R at first … Was wondering what are you talking about …
NATO applies the same name to a family of fighter jets, the J-11 belong to the Flanker family. I don’t know what nonsense argument you are trying to make here. Do you think the J-11’s deserve a new name since they are clearly not just the same airframe with only minor modifications?
I mean… MiG-21 vs J-7?
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I was hoping for this one made by the same guy, but I’m still glad we got a high quality J-11B skin that actually makes the plane look both clean and modern, as opposed to the heavily weathered stock skins.
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I mean I guess his point is that China didn’t use the name flanker, they have their own thing, like neither do Russians use ‘flanker’ for Su27s. This is a NATO designation and can’t be over interpreted. I mean, do Russians want their planes to be called Felon and Frogfoot?
hows J11B sustained turnrate compared to su30sm
Better rn as it is lighter and has more thrust, Su-30SM tends to lose more energy in turns.
Well it does have its own name
“responsive dragon”
And I’m sure it sounds cool in Chinese :)
NATO names are kinda irrelevant … They are only for use within a particular organization …
Here people use them frequently, because that’s how the plane is known in the English speaking world … But just because the English speaking world calls native Americans “Indians” doesn’t mean they are the same people as the actual Indians …
(I understand that the Chinese and Russian Flankers share the same root and are very similar … I’m just saying that the NATO names don’t mean anything …)
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应龙 (Yìng Lóng) - J-11 family
潜龙 (Qián Lóng) - J-16s
None of them are referred by their NATO designation in China, I’d imagine Russia wouldn’t want to refer to its own jets by names such as:
light grey
Poor MiG-15 probably has it the worst
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Technically the designation “fagot” is referring to bundles of sticks used as fuel to start a fire, though it is unfortunately rather similar to a derogatory term.