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The T-10M used a wing from the Su-27UB
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Wait, wdym a wing?
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There is no cope in here about sino flankers except from the sino patriots claiming absurd things like their aircraft have empty weights of 17 tons… That’s nonsense.
can someone please explain to me why are we talking soooo much about russian sukois when the thread name clearly stated that it’s " Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion"?
yes in the original post there are mentions of china getting the russian bought planes but it’s not part of the core thread, this is for chinese made planes so stop posting about stuff that is not in line with the argument of the thread and comparing is this better than that and bla bla bla
thank you
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Basically this is the theme ‘how can J11/J16 be so much lighter than Russian equivalents’. My guess is part of this is China used composites, so did Russians but Russians chucked more stuff like fuel tanks on so heavier. IDK which stats are real though.
I guess around 18t is reasonable from that calculation
The J-11 uses the Su-27’s airframe, it is literally the same plane at first. Why would there not be discussion on the similarities and modifications of the flankers? They don’t even change the name, “Flanker”.
Without discussion of the Russian counterpart there can be no discussion of the Chinese flankers. It just doesn’t work that way.
The Chinese use less composites and the engines are heavier, it is not honest discussion to claim the sino-flankers are lighter than the latest Russian counterparts. I fell for this propaganda myself in the past. Open your mind, look at the materials available and make your own conclusions from what you process.
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I remember I explained this before, Russian standard of engine empty weight is significantly lighter than others, it’s not about wrong or right, but it can’t be compared unless calculated in same standard.
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You made the claim but so far has been unsubstantiated. The person who works at sukhoi made it clear, the equivalent AL-31 model is lighter than the WS-10.
*NATO
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Please, link and without translation? Where is it from?
I will read this when I have time
It’s a old paper before Chinese standard of engine weight was set. the final standard could be different, it’s better to find original file, but I can only find Chinese one
HB 7497-1997 航空涡轮发动机重量的确定 - 道客巴巴
in Chinese standard, WS-10A weight is almost same as AL-31F.
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How they can change name… when this name only for NATO? Or do they need to apply to the NATO office for a name change?
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Well considering NATO kept the same designation, then it means the Chinese aircraft are, well, nearly the same airframe.