The J-11 uses the Su-27’s airframe, it is literally the same plane at first. Why would there not be discussion on the similarities and modifications of the flankers? They don’t even change the name, “Flanker”.
Without discussion of the Russian counterpart there can be no discussion of the Chinese flankers. It just doesn’t work that way.
The Chinese use less composites and the engines are heavier, it is not honest discussion to claim the sino-flankers are lighter than the latest Russian counterparts. I fell for this propaganda myself in the past. Open your mind, look at the materials available and make your own conclusions from what you process.
I remember I explained this before, Russian standard of engine empty weight is significantly lighter than others, it’s not about wrong or right, but it can’t be compared unless calculated in same standard.
You made the claim but so far has been unsubstantiated. The person who works at sukhoi made it clear, the equivalent AL-31 model is lighter than the WS-10.
It’s a old paper before Chinese standard of engine weight was set. the final standard could be different, it’s better to find original file, but I can only find Chinese one HB 7497-1997 航空涡轮发动机重量的确定 - 道客巴巴
in Chinese standard, WS-10A weight is almost same as AL-31F.
But even here it literally only 4 variants (+ raddome): Full Gray, Full Black, Full White and Light Gray + Deep gray. It all just shades of gray… except 30MK2
Super disappointed, first the J11 had a Su35S camo, cool! But then they give the same camo to the j10?? Then The J11A comes, cool a J16 camo!!! J11B, same thing?? Like frankly there’s other cool camos for these planes on WT live with markings and details but no, just have Su35S and J16 skins from now on.
Could we please stop throwing unnecessary insults and maintain a respectful discussion?
The thread IS about Chinese flankers, since the aircrafts are similar it is allowed to mention the other part of the flanker family but if the discussion dives too deep into the Russian side it can be moved to the other thread.
