I find it unproductive when individuals continue to speculate about data despite the explicit national standards (GJB) already provided.
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CCTV sources state that the J-15 has an empty weight of 17.5 tons , approximately 1.4 tons lighter than the Su-33. Both aircraft use the same engine, the AL-31-F-3 .
Yes.
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My estimation is a broad approximation, as we don’t know the J-16’s exact internal fuel capacity – we can only infer from its range data that its internal fuel is no less than the Su-30MKK’s. Regarding the difference between operational empty weight and net empty weight, I applied the “Gaijin standard”, and absolutely omits some additional weight components. Another approach is to reference the Su-30SM : Gaijin lists the net empty weight as 18.83 tons, so another possible empty weight range for the J-16 would be 17,840kg (or 18,840kg) – (19,710kg – 18,830kg) = 16,960 to 17,960kg.
Bug report
Su-27, J-11 incorrect rip speed:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ApQSGr7WhfPc
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Equipped aircraft + normal fuel refueling for the Su-27 family is 5290kg, + 4 missiles
The J-11B,J-16, are similar in design to the Su-27 UB and Su-30MKK, which means the fuel supply is exactly the same.
And the normal refueling is 5290kg.
5270kg for J-11B is right, but not for su-30mkk.
The Su-30MKK/MK2 differs from the Su-30MKI/SM (produced by the Irkutsk plant) in that it combines the nose of the Su-27UB, the rear fuselage of the Su-27M (old Su-35/Su-37), and other model-specific components. Its internal fuel configuration diverges from standard Flankers: Front Fuselage Tank (Tank 1) holds 3,150kg, Mid-Wing Tank (Tank 2) 4,150kg, Rear Fuselage Tank (Tank 3) 1,053kg, Wing Tanks (Tank 4) 1,552kg. At a fuel density of 0.785, total internal fuel capacity is 10,185kg (including 280kg in vertical stabilizer tanks). The Su-30MKK also has basic and intermediate fueling schemes:
- Basic: Tank 1 empty, Tank 2 partially filled – 6,962kg fuel.
- Intermediate: Tanks 2/3/4 and stabilizer tanks full, Tank 1 partially filled – 9,640kg fuel.
if using the basic scheme (6,962kg fuel), the operational empty weight of J-16 would be:
24,900kg (design takeoff weight) – 6,962kg – (2×210kg PL-15 + 2×105kg PL-10 + 100kg pylons) = 17,208kg.
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Well, you wrote nonsense, the Su-30MKK is based on the same Su-27UB, and not the Frankenstein that you described.There was never any fuel in the vertical stabilizers
Nonsense
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SU-30MK KnAAPO
Stop writing nonsense and blatantly lying
I bet you haven’t carefully read this material, because the one you provided actually proves my point.
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The center section of the Su-27M is not suitable for the head of the Su-27UB.That’s why there were additional jobs.Vertical stabilizers were taken from the Su-27M. Because the head and increased weight affected the stability of the track.The wing is standard from the Su-27UB enlarged profile
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Since you acknowledge the presence of Su-27M elements in the MKK design, we have no disagreement. This indicates that the internal fuel tank arrangement of the MKK differs from that of the Su-27S.
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It doesn’t differ, it’s still the same 5 fuel tank
Well that is not what your source says, it says the entire centre section.
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He is arguably a better source than the book, so take that how you will.
I don’t really consider a guy named VVS RF to be a source, moreso a silly disturbance that adds a bit of laughter to my day with the silly stuff I manage to read from him on random threads that he apparates into ))))
Do I take a random Russian guy on the internet’s word or an actual published piece of media? Who knows! Nonsense! ))))
(This is tongue-in-cheek)
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I don’t know a better firsthand source for Sukhois.
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What exactly are his credentials outside of “makes a Su30 mod for dcs”? All I know about him is that an equivalent would be ‘some guy named USAFUSA makes a F15EX mod for DCS’ and I’m supposed to trust that? If he does have genuine credentials outside of that I would love to know, because currently I haven’t seen much in the way of that. Mostly just posts of the normal Russian sales pitch figures and snippets of manuals he may or may not have. I am not entirely sure if I’m supposed to believe what he says as gospel regarding flankers just based on that alone
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His business is not mine to share, what you would like to know doesn’t matter. Even if we presented firsthand source material to Gaijin, it is just an arcade game and they have denied outright the firsthand source materials for other aircraft anyway.