Correct if I’m wrong. But isn’t the Масса снаряжённого The gross weight of the plane?. At least with missile and pilot(2x80k)? So the 19710 its taking in account the 2xR73 (210k) and 2xR27(700K). The Empty weight should be near 18700-18800.
No. Pilot included but missile not (same standard for su35s). If with 2xR73 and 2xR27 and 5270kg fuel, the weight is almost 26050kg.
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Yea but that (19710) its not the empty weight. I search it and said its Weight of the Vehicle + Equipament (aka missile). Its just don’t count the fuel. ITs rare that the “True” gross weight its 26090. That is more than the gross weight (25300) of the Su-35s that can carry more fuel and Khibiny pod installed.
not missile. Масса снаряжённого refers to the aircraft’s total mass before takeoff (unloaded), including:
- Aircraft structure
- Pilot(s)
- Lubricants
- Gun ammunition
- Countermeasures (chaff + flares)
Excludes:
- Fuel
- External ordnance (e.g., missiles).
That’s another metric “Взлётная масса (Нормальная)” (Normal Takeoff Mass):
Масса снаряжённого(Operational empty weight) + standard internal fuel (5,270kg for Su-30SM) + basic combat load(e.g., 2x R-27 + 2x R-73 for Su-30SM).
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Clearing up misconceptions, WS-10B is specifically made for later J-10s and are not used on flankers due to different position of the gearbox, flanker engines have gearbox on the top while J-10s use engines with gearbox on the underside. Therefore flankers only use WS-10A, C and D.
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WS-10A
WS-10B
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WS-10D never existed. The difference between the WS-10A and WS-10B lies in the enlarged fan diameter and increased thrust (12% higher than WS-10A). Crucially, even if modifications were made to the gearbox position , the PLA would not assign a new designation like “WS-10D” for such incremental changes. As for the “WS-10D”: it has never appeared in official statements; such rumors refer to WS-10B variants, not a distinct model.
The WS-10C is a specialized variant designed as an interim powerplant for the J-20, significantly boosting military thrust. Importantly, the WS-10 family ceased new model development after the 10C.
Su35s are likely past 19 tonnes although my calculation is based off the official data for standard takeoff weight which I assumed to be 60% oil, similar to that of @MiG_23M
I thought it would be a bit less since pilot is around 100kg, all the oil and machinegun rounds would be quite a bit, 150 30mm rounds after all.
Although if that is 50% fuel it will go to around 20t.
I think his figure for internal fuel is off
Where did u get these figures from? Just curious.
IDK how they found space for extra 2t of fuel. Then that is probably 50% fuel, no reason to take that much fuel as standard takeoff weight. Also that should maintain around the same operational range as standard Su27.
Thx. Where are the extra fuel tanks do u know? Also did any flanker ever take extra external fuel tanks? Other than Su34s obviously.
You are correct, I mistranslated maximum weight of payload. In any case, it is still around 19-20 tons.
The same is said of Su-35 and others but it isn’t true. The sources are erroneous.
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I dug into Type 1493’s Datamine, I think it’s more completed than we thought. it has copied APG-70’s search mode, and better MPRF transmitter
the problem is the 60km limit, and n001’s 10km ACM.
plus same TWS tracking problem for every non-ESA radar this update, could be some problem with TWS tracking file
When i was trying to get what it mean usually come as Curb weight. In other vehicles that even include missile.
I calculate the way you said and you get to the 26000 gross weight in the img. Strange the other way you get close to the in game Su-30sm “empty” weight.
That is wrong. I respond to him on the Sukhoi thread.
This isn’t contradictory. You need to understand that the in-game Su-30SM’s empty weight excludes 2 pilots, countermeasures, gun ammunition, and lubricants – these combined add up to nearly 600kg.
The “operational empty weight” I mentioned inherently includes these items (pilots, countermeasures, ammo, lubricants), as real-world aircraft specifications typically account for all essential takeoff components. The “net empty weight” (excluding these elements) is a more theoretical figure, usually found only in manufacturer manuals and irrelevant to operational performance discussions.
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Well that make sense. Perhaps you don’t same info about Su-35s?
My data on the Su-35S’s empty weight comes from two sources : direct display board listings of 19 tons and calculations based on its normal takeoff weight. Currently, there is no publicly available data to refute this. If you have conflicting information, please share your sources.
The early’s Su-35s brochure.
Talk about 25300 gross weight. Same brochure state that the wingspan of the jet its 15.3. People used to think that Su-35s just have “bigger” wings. But IRL that brochure include the Khibiny pods. Some source said that the 15.3 its with the Kibhiny. So the figure of 25300 gross weight must include the Kibhiny pod weight.
I have never see data on the weight of the pod. I know that there are different variant of it. I ask someone and he said that they weigh around 200k for each one.