Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

I’m on phone right now so I’ll send you a link to the following article:

歼-11综合改装工程主要围绕着发射R-77主动雷达制导来完成,首先需要改进的机载N001火控雷达,从相关资料来看,N001火控雷达一个缺点就是信号/数据处理系统较差,无法使用一些比较先进的算法,如快速博立叶变换等,这样就限制机载雷达的性能,不具备多目标攻击能力、对地性能较低等,由于更换雷达需要对飞机航空电子系统较大的改动,所以歼-11综合改装工程仍旧保留了N001雷达,但是采用了“附加”的形式增加了一个先进的信号/数据处理系统,由于信号/数据处理系统能力增强,新的系统用来支持新的武器如R-77导弹,以及新的工作模式,如对地工作械,同时还可能对接收机进行更新,采用了低噪声接收机,从而提高了机载雷达的性能。

这个问题严重制约了中国空军的现代化空战能力,所以,在进入新世纪后,“歼11综合改装工程”随即展开。该项目的主要目的,是让歼-11A战斗机具备发射R-77中距空空导弹的能力。同时,这批次的歼-11A战斗机还换装了部分在歼-11B战斗机上使用的机载设备和多功能彩色显示屏,算是“降阶版歼-11B战斗机”,也被称为歼-11A MLU型战斗机。

刚开始的时候,是打算将国产PL-12中距空空导弹集成到歼-11A战斗机上的。但这样做会导致整机航电系统大改,工作量较大,性价比不高。于是,在白俄罗斯588航空修理厂的协助下,我们决定仿照苏-27UBM1的水平,将歼-11A战斗机升级到歼-11A MLU的水平。

原本的N001机载火控雷达主要问题是数据处理系统较差,无法使用快速博立叶变换等先进算法。所以,歼-11A MLU仍然保留了N001机载火控雷达,只是加装了一套先进的信号/数据处理系统。这样一来,歼-11A MLU不仅具备发射R-77中距空空导弹的能力,而且还具备了多目标攻击能力和对地攻击能力。

2000年中国空军从俄罗斯引进R-77主动雷达制导空空导弹到货,因此让歼-11战斗机能够使用R-77主动雷达制导空空导弹就成为当务之急。作为新雷达投入使用之前的过渡措施,我们对N001E雷达进行了改进,技术合作方是白俄罗斯588厂。主要改进包括升级N001E雷达的信号/数据处理系统,换上新的计算机,以提高雷达性能,配合新的工作模式和武器。这次升级并没有对雷达进行全面更新,因此性能提高程度有限。

Also, the aircraft that participated in Falcon Strike 2015 is not the J-11A/Su-27SK.

J-11A cannot use the R-77, and the R-77 can be used starting with the upgraded J-11A. This is confirmed by the mention of the RVV-AE (R-77) at the top of the PPT. It also mentions the MAW as “导弹逼近”. This further proves that the aircraft that participated in Falcon Strike 2015 was a J-11A.

All Western sources confuse the N001VE fitted to the Chinese Su-30MKK and the J-11A upgraded in Belarus with the N001 to use R-77. This is not worth considering

Sina Military just a military channel under unofficial new media platforms, the content of the article does not even indicate the source of the message, it cannot even be considered as reposting second-hand information, and the end of the article said that

本栏目所有文章目的在于传递信息,并不代表本网赞同其观点和对其真实性负责。

Why use an article whose publisher cannot guarantee its accuracy as a basis

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I know, I’m on my phone and can’t access the material, so I posted that article instead. Did I miss mention that?

then i suggest that you reply after the call, just forwarding a news article without a source as a response may seem disrespectful to the other party, especially he is seriously discussing with you

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I’m not calling, I’m posting from my cell phone. I don’t know what are you’re talking about.

Before you talk to me about disrespectful, read again what I said.

I apologize to you, and i request that you release the information you hold about the radar used in J11A when conditions permit, and then we can discuss it together, cause there’s some inconsistent information

I upload most of the material I have, but sometimes it’s not possible for Chinese material. I will check if it is possible to upload it.

Freedom of information requests for war thunder stats is wild, would be nice to see this mysterious source that is holding the J-11a back

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It was already described to you, no one has posted any actual evidence that the J-11A can provide datalink for more than one missile.

The only thing I can post publicly now is the website of 天津友嘉飞机维修有限公司.

Spoiler

It says that Belarus has helped them with upgrades, and the only Chinese fighter that matches this is the J-11A.

To be frank the Chinese sources are mostly some news site / military blog, or some gossip among Chinese netizens. I don’t think there is a Chinese book published that directly mention this topic. This is worse than the Western / Japanese secordary sources, which usaully can be traced back to a published book, some even by renowned authors.

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Yes actually there are multiple sources that mention the later batches have improved radars. Also the last batch of Su-27UBK is already able to fire R-77 from the start, suggesting it is not using the base N001 radar.

Also on that presentation on the China-Thailand exercise, I don’t doubt its credibility, but I remember it was rejected as a source in one of the J-11A RWR reports. For consistency, if it is acceptable as a source to prove J-11A’s radar model, it should be ok to use it for proving J-11A’s RWR?
The RWR system of the j11A should be RLK 207C/D // Gaijin.net // Issues

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J-11A sometimes gets referred to as the base J-11 (as in Chinese production of the Su-27SK) in China, display at Liuzhou Military Museum.

If russia gets the R-77, and US gets the Aim-120, China should get the PL-15

PL-15 is waaaaaay to powerful compared to both of them

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As much as I love China as a in-game nation I wouldn’t be able to agree with the addition of the PL-15, that thing would absolutely be demonic and would outclass even the AIM-120C5 let alone the R-77 or AIM-120. No missile besides perhaps the AIM-54C would match it in BVR (in-game) and this includes ALL missiles in service with the US.

Something like the R-37M would be required to counter it or the new AIM-260.

The US started a entire new missile program due to the threat the PL-15 posed

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Range wise, yes. However, the AIM-120D & METEOR aams both would act as equivalent counterparts, in addition to the R-37. The PL-15 is still distant, given our lack of PESA/AESA, but it isn’t without competition for it’s future implementation some point down the line.

The second picture in your comment is actually a SU30MKII of the Chinese naval aviation

There is also the nerfed export variant PL-15E which has reported 150KM range, roughly comparable to AIM-120D