Interesting but i don’t really know what to get from these… like it is an official project and its advertised by CCTV?
yes
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vqbCmqSXz3Es
My book arrived early. We got 2 sources now saying the radarset on the J-11A is the N001VE. Cockpit is also incorrect as I suspected, should have 2 MFD’s, one being added on as the A upgrade package. Additionally RWR is also incorrect in game, the author unfortunately doesn’t know/state which RWR is used but he notes that the RWR antennas are different than the J-11/Su-27SK.
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Which one is your new source? cause in the other bug report the accepted one was the:
From The Dragon’s Claws: Assessing China’s PLAAF Today, Vayu Aerospace, Issue IV 2017, page 15:
“In 1999, an upgraded version of the J-11, equipped with new N001V/ VE radar flew for the first time and was designated the J-11A. Seven PLAAF units are equipped with this variant.”
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Modern Chinese Military Aircraft 1990-Present; Ryan Cunningham, it’s very new, released this year IIRC.
ok to give some clarity to the devs i’ll post this as a comment:
This was the source deemed as “usable” for the bug report. Ofc it needed a secondary source.
1st source:
From The Dragon’s Claws: Assessing China’s PLAAF Today, Vayu Aerospace, Issue IV 2017, page 15:
“In 1999, an upgraded version of the J-11, equipped with new N001V/ VE radar flew for the first time and was designated the J-11A. Seven PLAAF units are equipped with this variant.”
And this is the newly provided secondary source:
2nd source:
Modern Chinese Military Aircraft 1990-Present; Ryan Cunningham
“Reportedly, the J-11A began its flight test programme in December 1999 and entered production by 2002 (if not earlier). By now, Russia had also relented on the radar dispute, supplying the improved N001VE system.”
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I’ve updated my comment with info such as publication date and ISBNs but i don’t have the book and the Bug report still misses these two issues:
- Image of the cover
- Images of all the referenced pages and their page numbers (we still miss the numbers/they are not visible in the photos that you’ve provided)
Also since it’s a pretty good chance of getting the radar, if i were you, i would modify the “rant” section and delete it since it will just bother the developers IMO.
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I removed the middle rant section and added the covers. Even if I got passed along, the Tech Mods would just remove my rant for them to see. I still think the rant is necessary though, the devs need to see that their current requirements are quickly becoming impossible to meet as newer and newer equipment is added.
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Already better, once you add the pages for the reference we are all good.
Until people stop writing nonsense about what they absolutely don’t understand.And so it will continue
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- To avoid deviating from the main topic and to keep it clean you should still discuss it privately (if you find the findings or conclusion of the discussion to be useful then ofc post it in the forum)
- There are plenty of people that will have their own ideas, as long as you think and know you’re in the right and have the sources to back it up just ignore them, if they are trolls they’ll get tired once you don’t give them attention.
As long as it pertains to the topic, if people only cast doubts in private there is no way to discern opinion from fact
The discussion goes back 300 messages and talks about how Russia and it’s own planes and tanks are doing in the Ukraine war, also talks about hangars for aircraft… how is that relevant?
Meant to say “if it pertains”, I’ll edit
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To that ofc I agree… but in this case people were talking about Ukraine war and nato/western systems… just create a different thread I guess.
Funny Kill & Supermaneuverable reverse attempt.
I was caught slipping with full fuel & rack of R-27ERs by a M2k 5F who started off with an energy advantage & at my 6 o’clock.
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just a cultural project, leaded by AVIC but down by third party cultural company, there aren’t any useful information
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Anyway since it was somewhat lost in the back, for anybody that has a second this is a new bug report about the J11A radar:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vqbCmqSXz3Es
Also @pegabug where does it say in the Rupprecht source that the J11A has the N001VE? so that we add another quote.
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Anyway, wish this luck
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“The main reason behind this work were the dated avionics of the original N001 radar, which as a first step were replaced by or updated to the N001V with better tracking performance. This was further improved by the N001VE which was capable of engaging two targets using both SARH R-27RE1 and active radar homing R-77 AAM’s. … The variant was called the J-11A…”
We don’t have to add quotes to the reports, the devs will get the pages I posted and if they desire, they can obtain copies of the books if they think there is more information.
Regardless, we have 2 valid sources for the N001VE in the J-11A, not sure what the hold up is on acknowledging the report.
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