The only characteristic of the su-35 is one engine, and other aspects are lagging behind the Chinese Flanker. At that time, China always thought that the Su-35 had been castrated, but then it was discovered that it was the Su-35 used by Russia. In the end, the Su-35 was sent to the second line, and the first line was the J-10C. J-16 J-20
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not a fact, what 30SM2 get Irbis.
I know a lot of things that you don’t…And you are inattentively reading the PL-12A data in the screenshot …
if you are interested in American opinion… Ракеты класса «воздух-воздух» ВВС Китая. Заключение - ИнВоен Info (invoen.ru)
About the radar, who said it-the Chinese…An antenna is just an antenna…There are no radar characteristics…There are positive and negative points…
for the overall development… Истребители. Поколение Next: 2. ФАР, АФАР, ЦАР, РОФАР… (livejournal.com)
I don’t even know what you are arguing? If you are talking about range, PL-12A is estimated to have range of 100km (which seems to match your screenshot) which is roughly about the range of AIM-120C-5.
And all this discussion about PL-12 no longer matter because it is already an old missile and is being phased out. The J-16 mainly uses PL-15 and PL-10 as standard air-to-air loadout. The upgraded J-11BG should be able to use PL-15 too.
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In the era of SVO-when the BARS and the IRBIS produces one plant, it makes no sense to spray funds and specialists on 2 radars, especially since the Ministry of Defense of Russia announced a 2-fold increase in the production of Su…
В “Ростехе” заявили о двукратном наращивании выпуска Су-30, Су-34 и Су-35 для нужд армии (interfax.ru)
No. SM2 got modernized Bars.
Still with PL-12…
This is not accurate-there is information…“And, apparently, the radar problem was solved after all.Most likely, there is the fact of some work on the fighter’s power system, which allows the updated machine to work with the necessary radar …”
This is su30mk2, not j16.
I’m talking about rockets-they will be used for a long time…Show me the J-16 with the PL-15 there is a photo…
I don’t see a fundamental difference … especially since the Su-30 MK2 in its original form could not use Chinese weapons…So this is an upgraded version most likely to the J-16 level…
Compared with su30, j16 has a different vertical tail and cancels the pitot tube. The early gray j16 in this picture is pl15.
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Don’t need to upgrade to j16 level, just do some cracking.
What’s the point of a little hacking - if the planes are the oldest of 2004… and they will fly for another 20 years…Or were there packages of gradual updates…?
There is a photo of the Su-30MKK with Chinese missiles.?
Bro, your information may be out of date. China’s su30mkk has been modified and can use Chinese air-to-air missiles.
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What year…- it’s 2020…
This is a picture from 2015. su-30mk2 uses pl-12. The time when su-30mkk uses pl-12 is still unknown. I guess it may be 2020.
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Im not trying too say that the Su-30 is bad, but at the end of the day the J-16 is probably going too be superior in most metrics that count, and it’s AESA radar is definitely going to be better than the PESA radar found on Russian flankers. Also why got caught up on the Pl-12 when we have missles like the pl-15??
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We don’t know the characteristics of the Chinese radar yet…I wrote in the posts above that Antennas of various types have their positive and negative sides…We do not know the characteristics of the Updated Bars/Irbis radar…
But there are statements from Radar Developers…and some 2006 data on the Irbis-E…
“At least in terms of detection range, Irbis surpasses all airborne radars known in the world with conventional phased array antennas and AFAR.” «Разработчик радаров для Су-35 и Су-57 — о сирийском опыте, конкуренции с F-35 и «умной коже» Су-57» в блоге «Армия и Флот» - Сделано у нас (sdelanounas.ru)
http://www.telenir.net/transport_i_aviacija/vzlyot_2006_04/p23.php?ysclid=lp79p50ptb971367929