Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

[thethrill820]

We dont know if its just in the J8F, it could also be on JH-7A, unless they want to introduce JH-7A2 later

[MightyBaozi]

I highly doubt they’ll give it Fox 3s for balancing reasons

[thethrill820]

I mean, we did just get seperate brs for air and ground.

[Iithilien]

I know, which is why I’m disappointed

[MightyBaozi]

Yeah but wouldn’t they have to raise the Jh7a once again? if i’m not mistaken it sits at 11.7 rn and it could have 2 PL-12s right?

[thethrill820]

Yeah it would have 2, it would probably go 12.3 arb and it could probably stay at 11.7 grb

[MightyBaozi]

not too fond of non IRCCM missiles and 2 Fox 3s at 12.3

[MightyBaozi]

Also can the MLU have PL-8s? and what would be the first IRCCM Chinese missile?

[NАТO]

yo my point and others is, it is not “just a Su-30MKK”.

It is an entirely NEW plane that shares the same SHELL as the Su-30MKK, otherwise they have NOTHNG to do with eachother.

It has advanced Chinese AESA radar, superior electronic warfare systems, modern superior avionics and cockpit displays, integration of indigenous a2a and a2g munitions, upgraded engines (WS-10A), flat-top vertical stabilizers which the Su-30MKK doesn’t even have, and stealth enhancements, making it an entirely new aircraft.

The J-16 also has advanced stealth coatings and design modifications aimed at reducing its RCS, including radar-absorbing materials and reshaped vertical stabilizers as mentioned prior, which again significantly enhance its survivability and stealth capabilities compared to the Su-30MKK.

They are NOT the same aircraft and the J-16 is the most superior flying Flanker.

Superior to Su-35S and incomparable to a Su-30MKK.

Thank you.

[NАТO]

@MightyBaozi

Also can the MLU have PL-8s? and what would be the first IRCCM Chinese missile?

J-11A MLU can utilize:

Air-to-Air Weaponry:

1. PL-8
2. PL-10
3. PL-12
4. PL-15
5. R-73
6. R-77

Air-to-Ground Weaponry:

1. KD-88
2. LS-6
3. GBU-12 Paveway II
4. GBU-16 Paveway II
5. GBU-24 Paveway III
6. YJ-91
7. Unguided Bombs
8. Rockets

[BBCRF]

@NАТO

flat-top vertical stabilizers which the Su-30MKK doesn’t

Whaaat?

[NАТO]

Yeah bro Something you do not understand.

I had to tell you this 3 times and you started talking about antennas

[MightyBaozi]

Are we sure about this? i’ve seen plenty of people state that the PL-12 can’t come with the J11A MLU.
Honestly its starting to get confusing…

[BBCRF]

This is a radio transparent antenna fairing

[NАТO]

Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

Very great post here but have to counter your no pl-12 for J-11A. [image] RKL-609 on the Wingtip, also only carried by Russian Versions It also doesn’t have the Beidou MAWS in the picture Additional Photos, also visible here: AL-31 engine and again, no MAWS [image] [image] [image] Here’s a copy paste " PL-12 Info! I attached two pictures where I underlined the point! I recommend that you look up at the first picture because there is another interesting thing about the J-11A! What I hig…

[NАТO]

Bro what? Do you still not understand.

I am talking about the VERY top of the vert stabs.

The FINS.

They are different. You proved it yourself.

[thethrill820]

@NАТO

yo my point and others is, it is not “just a Su-30MKK”.

@thethrill8284257

Retrofitted entirely with domestic Chinese equipment, and has the ability to fire Russian and Chinese Weaponry

I said it, albeit you could take it the other way

[BBCRF]

@NАТO

I am talking about the VERY top of the vert stabs.

This is a radio-transparent fairing, it can be put in any handicap

@NАТO

The FINS.

They are different. You proved it yourself.

exactly the same

[NАТO]

My apologies.

Just for the sake of this long argument you came off very lightly when saying it is unique.

[NАТO]

No lol it changes aerodynamics and rcs.

I am done arguing with you now.