Tbf it doesn’t take a lot to beat the flankers FM
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i just wonder how much wing loading is gonna affect j-10c, it’s around 1500 kg heavier than the j10a. while yes it gets more thrust it’s still gonna be somewhat a fat pig. altho imo, it’s still gonna be better than any chinese flanker for air to air
Spoiler
Around 1450 kg heavier than j-10a
This is the J-11,15,16 thread not J-10
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Was the J-11BG made before the J-16?
I was looking into the source of the image people use for the J-16’s radar
This one and I found it’s from a paper called “modern radar” dated september 2012 so wayy before the J-16 was revealed or leaked.
And it mentions its passed environmental test and flight verification. So it’s been used before 2012
So question being could it actually be the 11BG/D’s radar?
First flight of the J16 was around 2011-2012 so still possible
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J-11BG was made after 2017.
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According to data provided by the Pakistan Air Force, the WS-10B has a thrust of 144 kN (~14,700 kgf). With the J-10CE’s empty weight of 9,750 kg, this yields a rough thrust-to-weight ratio of 1.5077. Most PLA-operated J-10Cs use the AL-31FN Ser.5 engine with 14,000 kgf thrust, resulting in a thrust-to-weight ratio of 1.436. Gaijin models the J-10A with an empty weight of 8,300 kg and thrust of ~12,500 kgf, giving it a 1.506 thrust-to-weight ratio. This reveals that the J-10C holds no advantage in thrust-to-weight ratio. Moreover, its significantly increased empty weight would undermine the maneuverability that the J-10A excels in. Additionally, based on data released by the PLAN, the J-10C’s maximum speed has been downgraded to Mach 1.8.
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This engine appeared literally only in 2024
Does anyone have the source to this document? I’ve looked for it but I’ve been unable to find where it comes from
All I can find is this but I can’t acess the document to verify it it’s the same https://d.wanfangdata.com.cn/thesis/D02608004
ws-10 still has much better high altitude performance than al 31f no? at least that holds through for ws-10a, not sure about ws-10b thrust curves but should be similar to ws-10a no?
It can carry 2 extra PL-12’s aswell so it would have an even worse TWR with a full loadout
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wait, china doesn’t have double pylons for pl15? was those double pylons on the j20 pl12s?
They do, but no double missile pylons were ever seen on chinese Flankers, only J-10s and J-20s.
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does the double pylon on the j-10 carry only pl-12s, was just surprised clap said pl-12s specifically and not the pl-15 for the j10
sorry, i shouldve specified the middle double pylon for the j10. never seen it with pl-15s, looks different from the normal double pylon
It was shown only once, but I do believe it can use PL-15 as well.
The double pylon looks different because it most likely had to be narrower for space reasons, meaning that the two rails (as with the R-77 double pylon) had to be offset from each other to provide enough space, otherwise the tail fins might collide - thats atleast my theory.
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mainly because the new intake design. J-10A’s adjustable intake is better in high speed, while the DSI intake is better in lower speed and benefits stealth.
with J-11B, PLA no longer need J-10 to do the high speed interceptor job
it is listed in Saturn’s financial report, the part about engine sales, so it’s actually sold
though I can’t find the original report
not the same document.
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WS-10 has much better performance at
high attitude and high mach, but the new DSI intake not.
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Got it. Thanks ill keep looking