The python is no slouch for acceleration on its own, the difference in timings are quite small.
I mean comparing closely to another great missile like the PL-5E2 is more of a praise of the Pl-8B than anything
Both PL-5EII and PL-8B are great missiles. I just hope that the PL-8B gets the IRCCM changes so that it functions better at medium ranges, as while having a very good medium range IR missile with very good short range IRCCM works, its not exactly ideal in many situations.
The suggested changes would make the PL-8B the only plane AAM like it, with the best of both types of IRCCM.
Like the TY-90, but with even greater handling and flare resistance.
If they’re going down that road, you can expect other nations to get similarly powerful changes as well.
Personally I’m waiting for either the J10B or C haha, going to love those.
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PL-8/Python-3 has 40G limit, but it’s true limit is its fins, it actually can’t pull better than PL-5.
A lot of people just want the IRCCM to change to Seeker shutoff like what the AIM-9M has rather than keeping the Gatewidth we have right now. I highly doubt gaijin could be persuaded to overhaul all top tier IR missiles with IRCCM to realistic specifications, but changing from one type of IRCCM to another when the missile in reality uses a combination of both, that I can see as a possibility.
The gigantic PL-8B poll clearly shows player’s preferences for the change: IRCCM type on the PL-8B [Poll]
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Hey everyone,
I’ve been flying the J-11B a bit recently (only a few hours so far), and I wanted to hear other players’ thoughts on its performance in slow-speed dogfights—especially compared to the Su-27SM. I play a lot of 1v1 dogfights as that is where I get the most enjoyment.
I’ve got a lot more experience with the Su-27SM, and something I’ve noticed is that it feels more floaty and controllable at really low speeds and high AOA maneuvers compared to the 11B. Even though the J-11B seems stronger in sustained fights (especially when managing energy properly), I keep feeling like the Su-27SM gives me more precise control when I’m dancing around the stall boundary, while the J11B feels stronger above like 500kph, the SU27SM also feels like it has more low speed engine power and is more responsive at said low speeds.
For context, I play with a joystick and head tracker setup, so flight characteristics at low speed really matter for my playstyle (and is fun).
Would love to hear what other people think—does the Su-27SM actually have better low-speed handling, or am I just biased by my time in it?
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I mean it’s a similar story in statshark, J-11B outperforms the Su-27SM in turn rate above 600 km/h, at around 500 km/h they are about similar, under 500 km/h the Su-27SM has an advantage (but not by much). J-11B is actually 200kg lighter in empty weight than the Su-27SM according to statshark, I think the difference is mainly in thrust… I also notice the J-11B to fly a little differently compared to most other Flankers, not sure if it is placebo or not, but when making turns + rudder input it does seem to be more stable. It could be that Gaijin is trying to model a digital FBW for the J-11B.
Also worth noting that at least at sea level, WS-10A has slightly less thrust than AL-31FM1, but past around 4-5k meters the WS-10A on the J-11B provides more thrust and at 10k meters, quite substantially more. J-11B is definitely more geared towards BVR combat as it out-accelerates every Flanker currently in the game at high altitudes, and sustaining more energy during maneuvers.
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The PL-5E2 accelerates much faster over short distances. You’re saying the opposite.
Issue is PL-12 is not great ATM so I can’t take any advantage of that… Also still slower than EF and F15 in terms of climb, somewhat more manoeuvrable but also does have worse kinetics and the placeholder radar is suboptimal.
I don’t have a problem with the flight performance, just the placeholder radar modes need to be fixed and PL-12 being more reliable for 10 km+ shots.
Yes the PL-5EII’s acceleration is much better, but acceleration is not speed, after about 1-1.2KM in flight, that acceleration stops and it begins to slow down. At about 2KM in flight the PL-5EII and PL-8B will be around the same speed, but the PL-8B will still be accelerating, whilst the PL-5EII will be slowing down. The PL-5EII has better acceleration, it does not have better speed. If you mess around in StatShark you’ll see this pretty clearly, in many cases you’ll see scenarios where the PL-5EII reaches a target before the PL-8B, but does so at a lower speed.
This one is rather famous (yes i know theres a no. 33 already ingame but this one is rather famous for a barrel roll over a P-8 plus the no. 33 livery ingame lacks the small scaled full regristry number on the verttail (see the black thing in verttail in image? thats the regristry the 5 digit one))
same no. 24 with Naval low vis
Prototype (since F-15 has the streak eagle livery why no?)
Naval low vis BGH (They already included J-11BH liveries to J-11B)
Standard dark blue-grey livery with formation marks
Prototype with AVIC logo on the tail (Ingame A-5C has same logo on the tail)
Prototype #524 did ski jump experiements
Fictional, this was from a magazine cover in 1996
Plus there were a few more liveries on the Su-27SK/J-11A that havent made it into the game yet not to mention Su-30s
Forgive me for being kinda drunk xD the J-11B is my favorite flanker and plus I would always like more livery choices.
Plus the old 2gens and J-10A and JH-7 had quite a few livery candidates too
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Do you know anything about this double pylon on a J-16?
Here’s the forum where I found it:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/china-flanker-thread-iii-land-based-exclude-j-15.9002/page-78
Maybe it is double pylon for 2x 500 kg bombs?
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Either that, or rockets, yes.
Ah, that makes sense. I was really hopping it would be a better low-speed dog fighter compared to the SM personally. I like it a lot more for ARB and ASB over the SM, just wish its thrust was still higher at low speeds as well. Do later variants of the J11B get improved WS engines?
The Block 07 and 08 received the WS-10B engine with late-model nozzles same as the J-16. It remains unclear if the J-11BG upgraded from Blocks 02-06 underwent similar engine upgrades.
J-11BG with old nozzles ( It’s impossible to confirm whether this is the WS-10A or WS-10B, as both engines have historically been paired with the older nozzle design. However, the new nozzles have only been previously observed on the WS-10B powering the J-16.）
For comparison, two distinct nozzle types of J-16.
The old one
The new one
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I think J-11b’s empty weight is heavier in-game than it is supposed to be. But the J-11b is very strong if you play it to its strengths. I had a 77% win rate when I was grinding mods. I have a 62% win rate rn.
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Nozzles look like the ones on the eurobomber. pretty cool