Could we please stop throwing unnecessary insults and maintain a respectful discussion?
The thread IS about Chinese flankers, since the aircrafts are similar it is allowed to mention the other part of the flanker family but if the discussion dives too deep into the Russian side it can be moved to the other thread.
Please keep this thread clean.
IDK but what does grayish mean?
I missed the R at first … Was wondering what are you talking about …
NATO applies the same name to a family of fighter jets, the J-11 belong to the Flanker family. I don’t know what nonsense argument you are trying to make here. Do you think the J-11’s deserve a new name since they are clearly not just the same airframe with only minor modifications?
I mean… MiG-21 vs J-7?
I was hoping for this one made by the same guy, but I’m still glad we got a high quality J-11B skin that actually makes the plane look both clean and modern, as opposed to the heavily weathered stock skins.
I mean I guess his point is that China didn’t use the name flanker, they have their own thing, like neither do Russians use ‘flanker’ for Su27s. This is a NATO designation and can’t be over interpreted. I mean, do Russians want their planes to be called Felon and Frogfoot?
hows J11B sustained turnrate compared to su30sm
Better rn as it is lighter and has more thrust, Su-30SM tends to lose more energy in turns.
Well it does have its own name
“responsive dragon”
And I’m sure it sounds cool in Chinese :)
NATO names are kinda irrelevant … They are only for use within a particular organization …
Here people use them frequently, because that’s how the plane is known in the English speaking world … But just because the English speaking world calls native Americans “Indians” doesn’t mean they are the same people as the actual Indians …
(I understand that the Chinese and Russian Flankers share the same root and are very similar … I’m just saying that the NATO names don’t mean anything …)
应龙 (Yìng Lóng) - J-11 family
潜龙 (Qián Lóng) - J-16s
None of them are referred by their NATO designation in China, I’d imagine Russia wouldn’t want to refer to its own jets by names such as:
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Poor MiG-15 probably has it the worst
Technically the designation “fagot” is referring to bundles of sticks used as fuel to start a fire, though it is unfortunately rather similar to a derogatory term.
In terms of progression with CN Flankers, I would say we skip the Su30MKK and head to the Su30MK2 instead. I would prefer a J16 or one of it’s derivatives instead however it would be nice to see regardless. Not sure where we would put the J15 and all it’s variants however.
The J-7 made major visual modifications to the airframe such as double delta wings. These aircraft had massive structural changes compared to the Russian MiG-21’s and operated in areas where the difference between a fishbed and a fishcan could mean winning or losing a fight. The fishcans were using more advanced weaponry at one point, such as the PL-5 and PL-8 when the MiG-21’s were utilizing only R-3S, R-60, etc.
Aside from that, the capabilities of the Russian and Chinese flankers is not as varied as the MiG-21 to J-7.
All of the analogies you and the others have made to try and discredit my point on the Chinese flankers being only minor derivatives of their Russian origin have failed.
I would say there is no reason to give China a Russian export fighter at this point, they have their own indigenous modifications and designations.
For a multirole fighter, the J-15 is a superior choice.
ofc they mean something, do you really think they would make that whole system for no reason whatsoever?
really? i always heard it was the musical instrument they named it after
I’m unaware of the CAS abilities of the baseline J15, otherwise a J15A or J16 would be better options imo
