The Su-27SK is heavier than Su-27S by 400kg. The J-11B is heavier than the Su-27SK by 600-800, let’s take an average of 700. It is 300kg lighter than the Su-27S. Once again, even BVVD said that it would be the best flanker in the game in terms of flight specifications.
The Su-35SK is even considered by PLAAF to be an old and obsolete product lmao. According to a less reliable source, when PLAAF acquired the Su-35SK, it was even suspected that the Russians were giving inferior goods, whose poor electronic systems shocked the pilots. Of course, pilots rated its maneuverability as “quite good”, but it was nothing but maneuverability.
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This is what I have been saying for a while now, we should be recieving an AESA equipped J-11BG if they want this aircraft to sit up at 14.0, when compared to the F-15C, the current J-11B will have a comparable radar, less fox-3s, similar FM, less CMs and a few other similarities and tradeoffs that confuses me as to why it’s 14.0 instead of 13.7 like fhe F-15C, unless gaijin thinks 8 Amraams is somehow worse than 6 PL-12s
The russians either gave china a downgraded Irbis radar, or it was simply so far behind chinese AESA that it appears to of been sabotaged lol, we may never know
Should be a 31F-M1 equivalent with a lighter airframe than a 27SM
Oh, no. The US planes are full of crap. The Su-27’s airframe is much, much better, especially after the introduction of the cobra key. And the rockets are better. The J-11B is quite as good as the F-15E in terms of acceleration and speed characteristics, I think it will be about the same in terms of radar, but better in terms of maneuverability and missiles in close and medium air combat. And as for CMS, I’d rather have a 98 large caliber than a 240 small one… Although I would still like a j-11bg with AESA.
SU-35sk are actively used by the PLA Air Force, participated in interception I don’t think China is that unhappy with them. Yes, the aircraft is electronically worse than the same J-16, but I don’t think it’s that bad.
Hey guys, do you think PLAAF will use PL15/17/10 to replace the R77-1 on the Su35 in the future, just like the modifications made on Su30MKK2
Maybe
There are different versions (including American ones) of why China bought the Su-35…
The fact remains that China was the initiator of the deal to purchase the S-400 and Su-35…
So you’d better ask your Management this question…
Ngl, I think the su-35s will be the best overall flanker in war thunder - key point war thunder. Who knows if and when gaijin will bring more advanced ir missiles, and it’s looking like thrust vectoring is actually looking pretty damn good which will be a good advantage to the 35s will have. Yes, the j16 has better avionics and such, but does that matter if gaijin doesn’t model them? Plus, the su35s can carry more r37ms than the j16 can carry pl17s.
Gaijin would be stupid not to model them unless they are biased, to be honest.
Not to mention that we aren’t even sure if PL-17 or R-37 type missiles will even be considered as additions.
However, PL-10 will almost certainly be added (as well as R-74 and AIM-9X).
Ngl, I think the su-35s will be the best overall flanker in war thunder - key point war thunder. Who knows if and when gaijin will bring more advanced ir missiles, and it’s looking like thrust vectoring is actually looking pretty damn good which will be a good advantage to the 35s will have. Yes, the j16 has better avionics and such, but does that matter if gaijin doesn’t model them? Plus, the su35s can carry more r37ms than the j16 can carry pl17s
You’re overlooking the strengths of the J-16 whilst overestimating the strengths of the SU-35. Thrust vectoring isn’t as good as you make it seem to be, it’s niche at best. TVC missiles like the PL-10 already does this job effectively making the CQC advantages of the SU-35 for the most part null.
Additionally, you say that the SU-35 can carry more R-37Ms, but you fail to mention by how much. The SU-35 iirc can only carry a maximum of 4x R-37Ms, whilst it’s more than the J-16 can carry in the context of PL-17s, the J-16 can carry a generally superior loadout of BVR missiles (PL-17 + PL-15 vs R-37M + R-77M).
As much Gaijin loves to gimp China, I doubt they’ll keep this for long as their favourite cash cow, that being the USSR/Russia, will inevitably fall short from the US - something China simply won’t. I see China having a excellent future in aviation, the US and China being at the top whilst all other nations follow behind.
Yes, the j16 has better avionics and such, but does that matter if gaijin doesn’t model them
That also applies to every vehicle in-game, it could either be absolute dog sh*t or amazing depending on how it’s implemented. That isn’t a good argument on why the J-16 won’t be as effective as the SU-35.
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6 R-37M, in theory up to 8
Only avionics that matters in this game is Radar, RWR, MAWS, HMD. If J-16 got better of any of the 4 listed, they should add it
Because we needed to understand the development of the Russian electronic warfare pod and quickly build up combat effectiveness, there was a lot of pressure on the defense at that time, and we needed more fighters to deal with the tensions at that time. In addition, the use of Russian aircraft makes it possible to hide the IFF code of Chinese aircraft. Almost all of the aircraft used for interception in China are J-11A / Su-35, we have to hide ourselves, it’s as simple as that.
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Yes, it’s certainly not that bad. But compared to PLAAF’s own stuff, it doesn’t look so good. In addition, excellent maneuverability is precisely the best feature of interception missions.
6 R-37M, in theory up to 8
The J-16 in theory could carry up to 6x PL-17s, that shouldn’t be a factor as theory should be irrelevant in-game. This is also excluding the PL-XX still in development, a ramjet A2A missile (which allegedly has already been fired and tested).
Furthermore, the J-16 is capable of carrying a configuration of 2x/4x PL-10s, 8x? PL-15s and 2x PL-17s (for a total of 12), and by all means the PL-15s are far more capable than any AIM-120 and R-77 variant currently in service or ever tested.
This is also not taking into account avionics which without a doubt, the J-16 has the edge in. If we ever receive the J-16D, we could easily see the best BVR aircraft in-game with advanced internal EW systems and the full A2A capabilities inherited from the base J-16 minus the cannon and IRST.
Do you also mind sharing where you’ve gotten this “6x R-37M” loadout configuration from?
As it is kind of~ related to the thread, does anyone know how exactly do Chinese Su-35’s differ from RU Su-35S?
Since the export version is always worse, there are probably some weaknesses in the radar.