Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

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IIRC J-10A is having same radar (model wise, bigger dome), so it should be good

Wasnt thrust difference from AL-31 is, pretty much, negligible (at least with correction on J-11B being heavier than Su-27S), so it should be at least no worse than J-11A flight performance wise or slightly better.

Imo main straight of J-11B gonna be it decent radar and decent (like strong middle) ARH missiles. We aint gonna overshoot western jets any time soon (need more missiles anyway), but at least it wouldn’t be so painfully one-sided.
Also! Important moment - finally use-able RWR! After SPO-15 on J-11A it going to be soo good (plus buffed MAWS should actually be useful)

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IIRC the fun part being that is not “by design”. The story, as it being said, goes that radar of J-11A was the works of Belarusian specialists and they, basically, tricked it to lock, fire and lead Fox-3 missiles as if it was your regular SARH

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2564

What? The J-11B is 600-800 kilograms lighter than the Su-27sk.Even BVVD said it on the stream, how can you not know that? And his radar is not like the J-10A, but like the J-8F, with increased power and more modern. Don’t mislead people. And ws-10a has a slightly better thrust than engine the SU27SM. It will be the best flanker in terms of pure flight characteristics. The only thing is, 6 pl-12 missiles are few , and the radar is still mechanical.

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2565

They just poked into its software, and made it so that when the R-77 was launched, the radar thought it was the R-27. Because of this, there is only one radio channel.

2566

Yes that would be great, would save me a lot of time trying to download the software to extract it from the game files and learning how to do it lol. DM me a link to it if you can.

2567

how is it that j-8F has a better radar than j-11B, a plane much more capable and newer with more advanced avionics.how is it that a plane from the 1980s(j-8f) can datalink 6 missiles while the j11B can only do one? is there evidence that the j11b can only datalink 1 missile?

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It currently has a placeholder N001 radar. When it gets its actual 1493 radar it will have 6 datalink channels.

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1493 is literally a successor radar to the J-8F’s 1492 radar.
1493 should have almost twice the range and can datalink 6 missiles.
The current radar is a placeholder.

2570

I think the j-11bg would have been better. Everything is the same there, only the AESA radar.

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2571

Interesting, j-10A and B have cobra button?

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2573

This is why I said

Su-27S (in Soviet/Russia service), not export 27SK which is heavier

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This whole argument has been so totally pointless because unless you have data usable for reports (I sincerely doubt it) then the discussion is worthless. If you do have such data, share it and cement your opinion as fact so that we can go on with our lives. The constant back and forth about the weight of J-11 series as compared to their Russian counterparts has gone on for literal months.

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Eh, Im not trying to argue for report or anything. Only that J-11B should fly no worse (if not better) than it Russian counterpart. Not on significant margin, but still

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All J-11’s are based on Russian Su-27 by design and feature no further use of composites than the earlier Su-27 variants. The Chinese engines and other components are generally heavier. There has been no information to suggest that the J-11B should be lighter than it is in-game. So really, what is all the discussion about? If it isn’t centered on source material then it really isn’t worth having.

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Sir, since you are requesting evidence that J11B is lighter from us, you should also present evidence that you believe J11B is heavier

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2578

Then I would like you to back up this assertion, you certainly seem very adamant about it.

The unfortunate truth is due to Chinese OPSEC, we will be unable to provide information from official sources. This isn’t your first time in a CN vehicle thread, you should know by now. So Gaijin will have to fudge or make estimates if they want to add newer CN vehicles anyway. Most of what we know about the rough capabilities of modern CN fighters are from dedicated PLAAF watchers, interviews from AVIC or PLAAF officials, or the occasional documentary broadcasted on television. This is simply the reality.

At the same time, I have posted many examples here before, ranging from photos to even documentaries regarding the crafting of composites for the J-11B airframe. Need me to post them once again? You can argue that no concrete figures are given other than vague 700-800 kg lighter airframe and these aren’t “reliable” sources, but it is difficult to refute what can be seen, and what can logically be concluded. Why would there be a documentary focused on this topic if such process had not been used?

I can say the statement “counterweights had to be added to balance the airframe because of the Type 1493 being lighter than the original N001” which goes against your assertion that the components are heavier. It’s a popular statement among the CN military sphere, and despite there is nothing concrete on the validity of this, the statement you made also wasn’t backed up by any source as well. Do you know the actual figures of how much the radar weighs compared to N001? Do you know how much the new avionics system weight? I ask you to please share your sources if that is case.

If you don’t like us having this discussion, then you may leave the thread, there’s no one forcing you to stay here after all. The only “source” material is through interviews, photos, or documentaries, and that’s it. Unless you are trying to argue that the J-11B is a downgrade compared to Su-27SK, which I certainly hope you don’t believe so.

This is a thread that is focused on the Shenyang Flankers. So we are not allowed to discuss characteristics of them here? No one should be policing this. We don’t go around and police others for eg. the EFT or Rafale forum for saying things we don’t necessarily agree with.

Though if you DO want more detailed information of what we know about the J-11B, you can ask @pegabug, they know more on this specific topic than I do. Excuse my impoliteness if you may, but I’m burned out from a long day.

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2579

All J-11’s are based on Russian Su-27 by design and feature no further use of composites than the earlier Su-27 variants. The Chinese engines and other components are generally heavier

Ragebait use to be believable, at this point you’re just trolling and I genuinely do respect the hustle. But being realistic though, the best Flankers in general are the Chinese ones, not their Russian counterpart - when we eventually do get the J-16 and other advanced Flankers, Russian mains will be flooding into the Chinese TT as their vehicles won’t be as good and it’ll remain so until we eventually get 6th generation aircraft.

Next you’ll claim the SU-57 is superior to the J-20 and F-22 as there is no unclassified primary sources to disprove this

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2580

Best flanker for war thunder in china TT, it’s Su-35

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2581

Only if it has PL-15s and not RVV-AE/SDs

I don’t think they’ll add RVV-BD for Chinese Su-35

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2582

Doubt, especially with history of Chinese TT being held back (PL-5Eii on J-10A anyone?).

Besides, it only jets. Judging a nation TT by only one tree is very unwise imo, still need to account for ground and helies and Chinese helies… so far, for me, it just pure pain (besides chicky “I am the Anti-Air now”. Thats funny, but a gimmick at best)

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