Because we needed to understand the development of the Russian electronic warfare pod and quickly build up combat effectiveness, there was a lot of pressure on the defense at that time, and we needed more fighters to deal with the tensions at that time. In addition, the use of Russian aircraft makes it possible to hide the IFF code of Chinese aircraft. Almost all of the aircraft used for interception in China are J-11A / Su-35, we have to hide ourselves, it’s as simple as that.
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Yes, it’s certainly not that bad. But compared to PLAAF’s own stuff, it doesn’t look so good. In addition, excellent maneuverability is precisely the best feature of interception missions.
6 R-37M, in theory up to 8
The J-16 in theory could carry up to 6x PL-17s, that shouldn’t be a factor as theory should be irrelevant in-game. This is also excluding the PL-XX still in development, a ramjet A2A missile (which allegedly has already been fired and tested).
Furthermore, the J-16 is capable of carrying a configuration of 2x/4x PL-10s, 8x? PL-15s and 2x PL-17s (for a total of 12), and by all means the PL-15s are far more capable than any AIM-120 and R-77 variant currently in service or ever tested.
This is also not taking into account avionics which without a doubt, the J-16 has the edge in. If we ever receive the J-16D, we could easily see the best BVR aircraft in-game with advanced internal EW systems and the full A2A capabilities inherited from the base J-16 minus the cannon and IRST.
Do you also mind sharing where you’ve gotten this “6x R-37M” loadout configuration from?
As it is kind of~ related to the thread, does anyone know how exactly do Chinese Su-35’s differ from RU Su-35S?
Since the export version is always worse, there are probably some weaknesses in the radar.
Well, this is outright nonsense. Gaijin, as usual, was unable to implement the thrust vector
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PL-17< R-37M,PL-21=R-37M
Chinese BIAS…J-16…
1.Radar characteristics are unknown!
2. The characteristics of Optical-Location systems are unknown!
3.Avionica_photo of the cockpit is missing!
4. The engine is clearly worse than the AL-41F-1C!
P.S…For example, I can write that the KF-21EX will be better than the J-35A, can you prove the opposite?.
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It is all, generally healthy, assumptions.
Chinese semiconductor industry is robust enough that even lower end Chinese radars like LKF-601E (which we know specifications of) for example are very impressive.
Optical system of J-16 was deemed ‘superior’ to that of Su-35 in an interview. That is all we know of it, and of course it is questionable at best, so I know better than to quote it. No characteristics, with that you are right.
^ Clearest image of the J-16 cockpit (not really I guess) I have in hand.
About the engine, it is simply not true that AL-41F-1S is outright better, or that WS-10 is worse. More recent Chinese engines, those from 2022 (core refresh) especially, are assumed to have hit over 5000 hours of service life. WS-10 is an engine with exceptional compressor aerodynamics and counter-rotating turbines. And it is not lacking in thrust department either. Chinese aeroengine industry at this time is mature enough for all this to not be surprising.
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From the brochure of the KNAAPO “Su-35” in 2006…
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At that time, the main long-range missile was considered to be a KC-172 missile (a variant that has been under development since 2003)… Авиационные ракеты ОКБ “Новатор” на МАКС-2007: saidpvo — ЖЖ
So the Su-35S can carry larger missiles than the R-37M…
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- From private conversations, I have heard that the cabin of the J-16 is similar to the J-11B, only the central MFD is located on the J-16 in a row with the side ones…
J-11B/Su-35S…
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2.As of the beginning of 2025, more than 350 J-16 units have been produced…
WS-10B engines, according to some sources, have been installed since 2022…so the vast majority of J-16s fly with WS-10A!.
It is quite possible that the J-16 has larger central MFDs or two like the Su-35S…
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I love how the 3rd Russian Battalion has entered the Sino - Flanker discussion flooding the chat with their low quality ragebait, next they’re going to claim that the SU-57 actually has a RCS of 0.001 and why the F-22 is actually worse compared to it!
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Unlike you, we provide at least fragmentary data from the Documents!..
There are 0 (ZERO) facts in your messages, just assumptions…
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Another angle, it seems to be two large MFD’s side to side, similar to Su-35 arrangement.
There are indeed J-16’s flying with WS-10A in recent times, but there also are J-11B/BG’s getting WS-10B/D refits. It would be healthy (I think) to assume J-16’s, those have 10A’s at least, are getting refitted in real time.
Also, do you happen to know how PLAAF Su-35 and RUAF Su-35S differ specifically? Maybe I should ask in Sukhoi thread.
(same post, accidentally deleted the last)
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Practically nothing!.. Ростех - Медиа - Новости - Россия и Китай согласовали облик перспективных Су-35
There is
also information (not officially confirmed) that the integration of Chinese weapons is possible…
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The aircraft are supplied as standard, with some modifications for the installation of Chinese equipment and weapons. The few photographs of Chinese Su-35s indicate that they differ from Russian aircraft in minor details at the antenna location level.
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Would j11bg with ws10 b be better or j11d?
What kind of backwards thought process is this? I didn’t make the initial assertion - and we know the J-11B is built on the same airframe as the Russian Su-27. We know their engines are heavier. These sources have already been posted and discussed. Yet… discussion of them being lighter persists and with what? Nothing.
We can assume the mechanical scan is heavier than the Russian PESA this is not a haphazard assumption to make. It is unsourced, the engines being heavier is sourced. Chinese electronics at the time did not outpace the Russians so we can not assume weight savings for radar or radar components until they adopted AESA.
It is just discussion for me, I don’t find anything in here impolite.
They may add PL-15 to J-11 as balancing strategy if it cannot have as many missiles as peers similar to how they gave Su-30SM R-77-1 as a balancing measure against the higher performance airframes.
It only makes sense, reliance on Russia for missiles at wartime would result in a shortage.
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This is outright nonsense. China is still lagging behind in engine manufacturing
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How are they going to say that a variable bypass turbofan is not outright better than their legacy reproduction AL-31’s with minor upgrades?
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With variable bypass, the engine is very complicated in design and expensive.It is certainly better than the usual two-circuit. But it is not without drawbacks. He’s not very productive yet.
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