Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

After all, will the 1493 radar and WS-10 remain copies of uninteresting industrial waste? If so, that’s very sad :(

WS-10A seems okay.

1493 is N001 placeholder, BVVD said they were aware of it.

Let’s hope that’s true. I’m not particularly fond of the idea of having to play another J-11 with the same subpar radar.

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If you still need it I can get you the J-11B ingame model.

I hope so, considering the N001 is scraping the barrel in terms of quality. Not one other top-tier plane has the radar of a vehicle found in 12.7. The radar itself isn’t even the main issue, it’s the one datalink that upsets me. Logically speaking, why would a vehicle made 20 years ago with the capabilities of carrying multiple ARH missiles only be able to shoot one at a time?

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IIRC J-10A is having same radar (model wise, bigger dome), so it should be good

Wasnt thrust difference from AL-31 is, pretty much, negligible (at least with correction on J-11B being heavier than Su-27S), so it should be at least no worse than J-11A flight performance wise or slightly better.

Imo main straight of J-11B gonna be it decent radar and decent (like strong middle) ARH missiles. We aint gonna overshoot western jets any time soon (need more missiles anyway), but at least it wouldn’t be so painfully one-sided.
Also! Important moment - finally use-able RWR! After SPO-15 on J-11A it going to be soo good (plus buffed MAWS should actually be useful)

IIRC the fun part being that is not “by design”. The story, as it being said, goes that radar of J-11A was the works of Belarusian specialists and they, basically, tricked it to lock, fire and lead Fox-3 missiles as if it was your regular SARH

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What? The J-11B is 600-800 kilograms lighter than the Su-27sk.Even BVVD said it on the stream, how can you not know that? And his radar is not like the J-10A, but like the J-8F, with increased power and more modern. Don’t mislead people. And ws-10a has a slightly better thrust than engine the SU27SM. It will be the best flanker in terms of pure flight characteristics. The only thing is, 6 pl-12 missiles are few , and the radar is still mechanical.

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They just poked into its software, and made it so that when the R-77 was launched, the radar thought it was the R-27. Because of this, there is only one radio channel.

Yes that would be great, would save me a lot of time trying to download the software to extract it from the game files and learning how to do it lol. DM me a link to it if you can.

how is it that j-8F has a better radar than j-11B, a plane much more capable and newer with more advanced avionics.how is it that a plane from the 1980s(j-8f) can datalink 6 missiles while the j11B can only do one? is there evidence that the j11b can only datalink 1 missile?

It currently has a placeholder N001 radar. When it gets its actual 1493 radar it will have 6 datalink channels.

1493 is literally a successor radar to the J-8F’s 1492 radar.
1493 should have almost twice the range and can datalink 6 missiles.
The current radar is a placeholder.

I think the j-11bg would have been better. Everything is the same there, only the AESA radar.

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Interesting, j-10A and B have cobra button?

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This is why I said

Su-27S (in Soviet/Russia service), not export 27SK which is heavier

This whole argument has been so totally pointless because unless you have data usable for reports (I sincerely doubt it) then the discussion is worthless. If you do have such data, share it and cement your opinion as fact so that we can go on with our lives. The constant back and forth about the weight of J-11 series as compared to their Russian counterparts has gone on for literal months.

Eh, Im not trying to argue for report or anything. Only that J-11B should fly no worse (if not better) than it Russian counterpart. Not on significant margin, but still

All J-11’s are based on Russian Su-27 by design and feature no further use of composites than the earlier Su-27 variants. The Chinese engines and other components are generally heavier. There has been no information to suggest that the J-11B should be lighter than it is in-game. So really, what is all the discussion about? If it isn’t centered on source material then it really isn’t worth having.

Sir, since you are requesting evidence that J11B is lighter from us, you should also present evidence that you believe J11B is heavier

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