did gaijin ever adress what severe damage is??? its not the worst system, but some scenario´s are pretty stupid for getting severe damage. Flatspins do not count even tho most planes cant recover. Then some wings count some doesnt. Then you also have severe damage bc most of your wing is missing and you can fly with pretty much no input(also turn etc…, instructor can fly it sometimes). I even was counted severe when I had lost a flap, my wings are yellowish and my tail was damaged (2 structures were pretty much non existant and 1 of my 2 elevators were missing).
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Yes, it’s literally in the release post.
Severe damage to a plane is considered to be: destruction of all engines (or destroying one engine if there is only one left), destruction of all elements of the control system (or the remaining controls left), which makes impossible to control the ailerons, elevators and rudders, separation of more than half of at least one wing, and destruction of all horizontal stabilizers (or the remainder of the horizontal stab).
It’s pretty well-defined.
The problem arises in what consistutes as fifty percent of one wing, because for aircraft with twin boom or swept wings or swing wings or delta wings it becomes less and less obvious compared to a standard WW2 straight wing aircraft.
The only really egregious part of it is the horizontal stabilizer becoming black. Even without the instructor black horizontal stab never impacted me significantly enough beyond making my turn circle worse and making me be more careful when landing at low speeds as it might not counteract the nose as well. Yet, it qualifies as severe damage.
Ripping off of the vertical stabilizer is more worthy of severe damage given how it severely impacts flight coordination, ability to aim and keep a plane from rolling wildly.
Yeah shot a wing tip off in the mig21 last night got a severe.
Sawed another dude near in half and got a crit, had to spin around to sling an r3s at him 😪
Im sorry but if i rip off one wing entirelt and the other half off an a10 as well ss blowin an enginr i should get more than just a crit
Sometimes.
Often times the plane simply can not fly anymore and is just a burning pinata, plummeting to the ground.
Yesterday I shot up a Me 262 in the MiG-9, took of his wing and started a fire.
While he was falling I came in for another attack to finish him off, got a crit and set another fire only to have like 5 of my teamates swoope in, lighting up the air with tracers and kill him before he would have crashed into the ground.
It was quite the sight.
And it just showed how stupid the sever damage mechanic is.
If the plane can’t fly it can’t land. If it can’t land, it can’t be repaired.
If it can’t be repaired, the aircraft is lost.
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Took a wing off a me 262 - a plane with an engine in middle of its wing AND a swept wing. This really, really obfuscates what qualifies as 50% and what’s a critical wing length.
This is what I described in my post explaining what severe damage’s shortcomings are - non-standard/unconventional wing designs.
Also with Me-262 - it has two engines, so taking one out is not sufficient for severe damage. Fire also doesn’t qualify, only damage done by fire.
The severe damage mechanic, if you read what it does and how it does, is quite sensible outside of “swept wing” and mid-wing engine situations and the erronous marking of black horizontal stabilizers.
Have you read what I linked and wrote? I literally described:
- A single engine on a multi-engine aircraft is not severe. “A engine” on a A10 with rather visible TWO engines is not a severe
- Did you really rip one wing of entirely, or only the wing tip? Wings are modelled in 3 sections and you need 2 of them gone to qualify as severe damage.
This is severe damage:
2 wing sections gone. Also notably, I landed despite that.
2 wing sections gone, severe damage.
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1 wing section gone, NOT severe only a crit.
From pursuit PoV: This is only a crit because only the wingtip fell off.
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Pursuit PoV: We can clearly see 2 wing sections falling off, justifying the severe.
Props it’s pretty obvious.
Weird edge case:
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This was only a crit, but I took off his entire wing! What gives?!
Twin-boom aircraft. Notice the very thick wing section between the cockpit and the two engine pods. The “whole wing” is technically just the wingtip from the generalized definition of severe damage.
What about early jets?
1 section gone, not severe and only a crit.
1 wing section gone, not severe, only a crit.
1 wing section gone, not severe, only a crit.
Whole wing gone, severe damage.
“But I’ve also randomly got severe damage while not seeing anything fall off!”
Possibilities:
- Your shots turned the enemy’s horizontal stab black (this imo needs review and fixing)
- You knocked out the single-engine fighter’s single engine.
Notably, 1st case has effectively zero impact on flight performance beyond making the plane more nose heavy - something that can be compensated and mostly just a dip in turn performance. This is very dangerous and they can come and kill you if you stop fighting.
2nd case may look like they’re still flying until they run out of energy.
As for why fire doesn’t give severe:
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Fire knocked out both aileron control cables, burnt out a fuel tank and has cooked the engine (but it’s still functioning indefinitely with MEC and low throttle).
Plane is still flyable with yaw, pitch and flaps.
This only counts as critical damage as not all flight control surfaces were disabled (rudder and elevator).
That thing looks like it thought F-104s were no more than insults to pencil aircraft
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Something like that.
Yes i shot off one wing entirely and the other from the mid point as i said, as well as blowing an engine out.
And actually crashed into him as well due to pilot error.
He was unable to even use his avionics entirely. Still a crit
EDIT> just to clarify I went back and jumped into the replay.
As you can see, he has one wing completely shot off and the other from teh midway point is black.
I also have demolished more than half his plane, it was infact a brick flying directly at the ground, However that was not counted as a severe damage. Regardless of the malarkey you link from Gaijin, it is evident that the mechanic is not functioning as intended thus it is in need of review.
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