The object 279 is still over performing and needs to go further up in br
Im sorry, Im confused as to why we should not be happy that undertiered vehicles are finally being raised, but also should not be mad that balanced or even already overtiered vehicles are being raised more?
Yes. I also played the game when Panthers were at 6.0 / 6.3. But guess what? There was a VERY limited number of mariokart rat tanks with heatfs at that time and every match was not a full uptier against cold war stab tanks. Not to mention that they didn’t have that stupid engine governor making their mobility worse than that of a heavy tank. Jagdpanther was unplayable at 6.3 before and that was without the mobility nerf, that is why it went to 6.0 where was its sweetspot.
Further proving that you actually don’t play Germany, but get your information from youtubers and plebbit which is well know for their hate boner of anything German.
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BR changes are bad. You just shift compression from one BR bracket to the other and do not do the obvious: Increase BRs. For Ground 13.0 and for Air 14.0 should help.
Also as always the most broken vehicles are left out. No Ka-50 no 2S38 no BMP-2M (no T-72AV which is the least broken of these). If there only was an obvious commonality between these vehicles…
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I played 6.0 Germany earlier today…I did not get an uptier into 7.X.
With the recent changes, 6.X will now be a popular BR range. Because of this, uptiers into 7.X will probably occur only as much as they would naturally, if that (perhaps 25% of the time). 6.X matches for 6.X vehicles will almost certainly be the norm.
Given that the German M48 sat at 7.0 for eons (while the US/CH M48s never dropped below 7.3), talk from Germany about Cold War tanks is simply good comedy. (At one point, Gaijin was even mulling senting the GER M48 down to 6.7!)
Lmao
I played the Jagdpanther at 6.3 before and yielded fine results with it (>2:1 exchange rate + 62% WR without any cheese (bushes/graphics manipulation/etc) or squads). Testing it just now…no major changes to note.
Unplayable? Not at all…the Jagdpanther remains an armored SPG with a superb cannon, decent speed and respectable armor. If you are asking for the Jagdpanther to be ‘a mobility king’ you’re looking at the wrong vehicle.
If you want an SPG geared for mobility, you should be looking at the Jpz. 4-5. The Jpz. 4-5–once derided for its stock APCR ammo and high BR (6.7 then)–has become a respectable HEAT-FS slinger since.
If you want high mobility, there’s your vehicle. An APHE slinger? that’d be the Jagdpanther.
lmfao, are you kidding?
Yeah, that’d explain the ~10,000 RB matches played in (just!) my top 10 Germans…and the ~2500 battles of my top 11-20 most used vehicles…and the thousands of other battles between all the other 150 vehicles too.
I know to laugh off the ‘Germany suffers!’ whimpering because I play Germany extensively.
If you play Germany enough, you’ll see that old chatter is just a big lie to excuse bad teams and poor plays. Below 7.0, Germany is very comfortable and always has been.
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I am sorry but who really made lineups around the M48? Everyone used the M48 at 7.3 anyway complementing the Leopard I.
That’s not what I meant. What I meant is that it went to 6.0 BEFORE the nerf and after nerf they raise to 6.3. Doesn’t make any sense. In half a year, they will be lowering it back to 6.0.
Don’t worry, I am abusing this vehicle alot. This is the only tank out of the bunch we mentioned that actually deserves an uptier. It should be 7.0. There is literally no incentive to play the Jagdpanther over the Jpz 4-5 since they are the same BR.
We agree to disagree. I think we should leave it at that, no point in arguing further. You have your view, I have mine. But hey, now that the Panther II is at 7.0, I actually used the Kugelblitz for the first time it went from 6.7 to 7.0 and by used I meant getting vaporized 10 seconds after spawning by T-54 (1951). 👍
I have noticed a few vocal players regarding Germany Suffering haven’t played said vehicles in at least 6 months, maybe more. And some even I have more games in say the Tiger H or E than even them (we are talking sub-50 plays, I am guilty too).
I do chuckle (or wimper) in my German lead teams today where a few complained about recent changes then, as a team, proceed to show total lack of knowledge of maps (yep, team RNG is one of the worst factors in this game in my opinion). This is not just Germany of course but they along with Russia do seem to make the most “1 nation only/mostly” battles which are not usually the most enjoyable with limited experience players.
Anyway I saw you once in an American tank so that debunks your claim of playing Germany a lot, and I will not look at your details to disprove my bias against you!
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The Breda 501 at 4.7 is not really fair, it has a good gun and decent (on-road) mobility, but everything else is not competitive at that BR, half of the times I die because of simple mg fire.
I’m afraid to see the new Breda 90/53 truck’s BR.
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KV-220 raise to 6.0, why? Ever since volumetric started the KV-220 has become a basic performer. I spend more time repairing in battle than i do playing since the cannon breach is like glass and breaks if you look at it wrong. Going from 5.3 to 5.7 was fair. Going up to 6.0 is not. It’s simply not that good anymore and just because it’s rare enough that people can’t figure out how to kill it as easy as tanks they see every day doesn’t warrant a BR increase. Do not ruin the KV-220 based on complaints from crying players.
Type 87 RCV is more agile bc it turns better, has much better turret placement for CQC, thermals/LRF are only useful in long range combat which the cannon is awful at anyway, so you don’t want to engage targets at long range to begin with, and for CQC drive-bys you don’t need a stabilizer, because the fire rate of the cannon and the fact that you wanna spray across entire tanks’ sides anyway.
Also, even though you conveniently covert it up with your dumb black circle on a dumb photo instead of a screenshot, the RCV has double the vertical targeting speed, which makes it much better against aircraft and rushing helis and counteracts the gun wobble somewhat.
If you’d play both, you’d know the VBC is more of a sidegrade to the RCV, the RCV being better at close quarters (which most maps are anyway), and the VBC being better at mid to long range, which the gun isn’t really made for anyway.
Hello, the only thing I can answer you about is that players don’t know cards well.
But damn, how are they supposed to study them if, let’s say, people like you just shoot from the spot in the direction of the opponent’s republic and get eliminated! Or they kill you when you first appear and go to the position.
People are not allowed to “learn” maps
I agree that further decompression is needed. I recently started playing other nations and even at 1.0 the performance differences are something that would be unthinkable at higher BRs. Here people are moaning about 0.3 adjustments, but there some vehicles feel like 1.0 performance difference despite being in the same 1.0.
I suspect that they are going to decompress in steps, since the amount of vehicles is pretty huge at the moment, so doing them all at once would be pretty complex task with uncertain result.
There is also a problem with spreading out the playerbase by increasing max BR, so I would expect them to be conservative in this regard and increase max BR as little as possible.
I think it’s even more hilarious when German teams complain about the changes and then proceed to stomp alongside you in an uptier, in the tank they complained about. Almost as if smaller details doesn’t make a whole BR worth of difference in strength.
Breda 501 is literally Pakpuma 7.5cm but Breda can now actually rotate its gun. Puma driver (eventhough it has 2 drivers!) gets knocked out and you are dead meat since you cant turn your gun.
I still have good games if its not a full uptier in the Pakpuma. And full uptier most of the time it is since Germany has no lineup at 4.7 so I have to play it as 5.0. which realistically means playing it against 6.0 every single game.
I agree they could both go down to 4.3 since all the brrrt fast firing cancer SPAA’s everywhere.
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Yeah I have to agree with you about that, I have never played with the PakPuma but I guess it’s pretty strange it has a higher or similar BR such as true armoured TD like the StuG IIIG or the Jagdpanzer L48, still without turret. At 4.0 or 4.3 it would be better for both the Puma and the Breda, which anyway I believe is still more vulnerable against light MGs.
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Greate now Chinese T-55 (T-69 II G , ZTZ88B/A) is 9.0 with 350 or 335mm of penetration and no TVD when T-62 with 350mm of pen is 8.7 and T-55AMD1 with 335mm of pen and active defense system is also 8.7.
When asking for feedback the whole forum was begging not to move M26 to BR. 6.7. Gajgin did it regardless just the same tone-deaf way as Wargaming implements their changes. Well done gajgin, NOT.
(I wonder when this post gets to be deleted anyway.)
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man i really do not like these changes!!
I beg to differ. I had a nice lineup with M26, T25, Bulldog light tank two planes and twop lower level tank destroyers. The M26 was the cornerstone o the lineup. My US 6.3 lineup is completeley destroyed. At 6.7 I will not take M26 that is for sure.
I never get close quarters maps man I want whatever queue you have while yes the gun wouldn’t preform as too well but it’s the fact it is infact a downgrade from the vbc if you played the 87rcv you’d understand it was mid at 8.7 you are forced to sit in a corner to kill people instead of playing it like a scout and moving between cover spotting and supporting your team the 87 lack of stabilizer is a huge disadvantage I have strafed the side of man tanks Leo’s-T72/64-xms and even other ifvs like the vbc and wma and not killed the driver or engine only getting them orange because the chassis bounces the gun every which way which if it’s not a mobility kill you’re dead if it’s anything with a top machine gun You’re dead japan has been getting hit witn unjustified nerfs and its so frustrating the vbc has less mobility but that’s with the benefit of not getting penned by .50cals frontally and 7.62 in the side like the RCV can even at 500m EVEN 20MM GUNS CANT PEN YOU FRONTALLY bro the rcv is the worst scout car in game and you want to say that the vcc is a sidegrade? LMAO don’t even get me started on the type 16s or 89s which are unjustified as well