Server Update 18.10.2023

I have spent today about an hour trying to come up with new lineups and just couldn´t really come up with anything sensible without a major uptier. Try making a lineup without premiums and hidden vehicles around 7.0-7.3 or 4.7-5.3. Its impossible.

I don´t really care for the tigers. The tiger 1´s are weak and feel like a PZ4 at its tier really. Playing M18 against them feels like I am shooting fish in a barrel. Tiger 2´s one could argue deserve the 6.7. What pains me the most is the Jagdpanther, lekpz41, Tiger 105 and Panther II uptier. That was completely unnecessary and were perfectly fine where they were.

As I stated today I play USA as well as China. Out of the 3, Germany unironically now suffers. Its not a plebbit meme anymore but a bitter reality. From destroying lineups, then artificial armor/shell nerfs (for balans komrad) and refusing to fix vehicles because primary sources are not enough all the way to the planes always lagging behind USA/USSR and are usually added when they are obsolete.

It feels now like I am playing a minor nation at whats supposed to be its strongest era - WW2. But if you´d actively play Germany, you´d know that. Feel free to disregard all I said because of muh 1 unbalancable american tank.

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Tiger 10.5 on 7.0 continues facing VIDAR, i don’t like this change

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This is ironic to say the least…

I play Germany and my experience with upgrading many of the vehicles (Panthers, Jagdpanther) occurred when they were previously at 6.0/6.3.

I chuckle about the current reactions to the German uptiers because I’ve already seen the same vehicles at those BRs already.

Changes are horrible.
This totally shafts my Italian team, where m18 went from 4.7 to 5.3. Now it’s 2 notches above anything else I can field… 5.3/4.7/4.3/4.0… Italians are now at huge disadvantage.

What I had as balanced garage to go into battles means one of my tanks is forcing me into a higher tier battle than the rest of my tanks are.

Not to mention 99% of the time I’m already uptiered. So my IT squad mentioned above could be facing enemies of 6.3. That’s a complete joke, making me not want to use that country at all anymore.

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The moved it to 5.7? LOL.

It was already weak at 5.3. Slower than tigers and with armor than can be penned by many tanks at 5.7 or above. Can’t wait to play it against 6.7 tanks. LMAO.

What a ridiculous change.

EDIT - Jumbo 75 is still at 5.3. Is that a future change?

T-69 II G is now unplayable, thanks Gajin!

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Other than the Vidar still being too low. Good changes.

The Type 87 just works at 9.0, though. I’ve already been using it with my 9.0 Type 74’s.
You dont really need a stabilizer for drive-bys with a gun that fires that fast, since you want to spray across entire sides of tanks anyway. In third person you barely notice the gun wobbling, because the vertical gun traverse is quite good too.
It absolutely shreds light tanks and the sides of MBTs, and you do have the mobility to get to the sides of MBTs. If you encounter something you don’t know how to deal with (pretty much just the Obj279 and weirdly up-BR’ed heavies), you can just spray the tracks off and run.
Compared to the VBC (PT2), you’re smaller, turn better, your turret is further up front instead of in the middle, which lets you shoot quicker when coming around corners and expose yourself less when peeking corners, double the vertical guidance speed, and more crew (noticeably 3 in the hull instead of 1, making it survive turret shots that the VBC dies to).
The VBC has thermals, a stab, LRF/LWS, mildly better armor and better reverse. These are mostly advantages that help the most at long range, which the cannon sucks at anyway, except for the reverse speed. The armor is nice, helping you survive .50 cals and having an occasional spaghetti code bounce, but it’s not like you want to get shot at in either of these two in the first place.

In short, the Type 87 RCV is the better CQC rat than the VBC and can react quicker to rushing helis and planes with double the vertical guidance, while the VBC is a little more survivable and much better at long range, where the cannon sucks anyway. I think it’s quite fair that they’re at an equal BR imo. And I’m saying that as a fan of both of those rats.

Same BR changes every time…Fighters get increases and bombers get decreases…Why bother to announce this anymore, you never give reasons…

The Turm III needs to drop a some points from 8.3. When up tiered it’s pointless / waste of time playing with the tanks it faces.

This is amazing, how many US tanks went up slightly and it somehow ruined the game? Like 3 or 4?

German tanks going up and it’s funny, a few US tanks go up “OMG THE GAME IS RUINED!”

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The 75mm Jumbo, already overtiered at 5.3, going to 5.7 is a death blow to the tank.

Undertiered vehicles like the Panthers going up a notch (as is deserved) is a non-issue.

That’s the difference.

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Yeah yeah, the panthers were undertiered, the jumbo is the most balanced tank in the game.

The tiger E should fight T29s.

The T29 is totally the same as a tiger 105.

Sure man, the US is suffering because 3 tanks moved up and some of them got buffs. Oh no, the US is dead

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No one’s uses the bombs on them, also the early Soviet helicopters are giant flying buses. Which makes it easier to kill them versus the other nations Heli’s.

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How refreshing to see you raising those strawmen Farmer John.

Would you like to try disputing what was actually said?

Yeah, let me prove that the panthers are undertiered or that the panthers are undertiered?

Dude, my original post is that when it was the German tanks moving up all the US mains were super happy but now a few US tanks are moving up slightly and they are losing my mind. So refute that and I will point to all the thread they are going nuts.

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I don’t think the T-69 II G needed this nerf at all.
It’s regularly facing T-72 TURMS, PUMAs, etc. at 10.0 and this tank is an upgraded T-55. It’s very slow for 8.7 (now 9.0), despite it being listed online as having over 700 HP. (ingame only 550 or so).

The ZTZ88 is somewhat understandable, but not the T-69.

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Because Panthers still will be playable, but jumbo not. On those BR range it won’t have strong armour or strong gun. So it wont be able to do anything.

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If you need to be told about how/why the Panthers (save for the D) were undertiered, I cannot help explain it to you.

Are you serious? I’m playing in the Closed Beta test…
Meni you write that no one is victorious about bombs… Yeah, bombs can be dropped by “only” bombers (sarcasm)