You are a very strange player who playing only low tier vehicles while having a lot of them. Why so?
High tier isn’t fun IMO, so I don’t play it on purpose
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CAS becomes oppressive above jet levels
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It becomes too point and click twitch shooter without the armor meta and with ATGMs and HEAT-FS and blah blah. If I wanted that, I’d play counterstrike.
What’s that have to do with the conversation?
In Big 3 nations the performance is effected by a lot more players, simple as. I cannot understand how you are unable to fathom that what most are aware of.
Yes, the ACTUAL players trying to use Minor Nation notice how strong vehicles in Major Nations get thrown away and over time will possibly gain from this in its BR. Then ACTUAL players use them and get really good plays in them which is diluted by those with a hold W and fire MGs at their team players who seem to dominate big 3 nation teams at times.
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If all players from start have same conditions why japanese team would win?
They aren’t “OVER” tiered though. Their similar vehicles have higher tiers than equivalents in other trees, yes. but that’s the only logical way to do it that leads to a viable game balance.
The word “Over” implies some sort of mistake, which there isn’t.
Which is why they all just went up? OK. Now they are hopefully adapting some of the Big 3 lineups even though their “stats” are overall bad, as players of such vehicles repeat.
Funny that mid BR minor nations have currently held their BRs, or recently been lowered, yet Big 3 have had a few pushed up…
You already admitted earlier that you think Japan mains are much more skilled than US mains, obviously is why. And your theory that people move to wherever is easiest is, as already explained, incorrect (else they’d be doing that right now, and they aren’t). Instead what happens in real life is they just stop having fun and say “fuck this” and leave and go play Fortnite or Stardew Valley or whatever that is actually fun, the end.
More japanese palyers = lower general skill level.
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Which is actually well known by the Community, if the Minor nations all had the same pops as the Major.
But there wouldn’t be “more japanese players”, you just pulled that concept out of nowhere
If wishes were fishes, we’d all swim in riches. That’s not the reality of the actual game, the balance has to be balanced on reality…
Not by him
I don’t think you understand what he wrote. And he is not wrong.
Thank you for your unhelpful followup comment that did not get us anywhere on that matter by, say, trying to explain what you think the misunderstanding allegedly is
But you haven’t a clue what he said as per your reply showing you didn’t get what he said. So calm down dude, you are getting heated for some reason.
Then explain what you think was misunderstood in that case, so that the conversation actually progresses. Not just “u misunderstood somehow or other (unspecified)”
OK, so If Japan had the same player count as any of the big 3, over the last 5 years, the performance IS diluted by more poor use than actual players.
IF they had more players, equal, there is a lower general skill level. But Minor Nations are generally that, minor in terms of long term player retention (you can only play one nation at once!). Minor Nations do see over the years a few vehicles that become effected by low use by the player-base.
So
makes no sense and what do YOU actually mean by that? “But there wouldn’t me more Japanese players” is quite a dismissive reply since he is saying IF there were more Japanese/Minor players the skill level diminishes the average.
Your reply makes little sense in the context of what he had stated.
OK, so If Japan had the same player count as any of the big 3
yes, and that’s what I THOUGHT he meant. But why would we ever discuss that, if it’s a complete fantasy? Sure in that imaginary fantasy world, then the balance would just equal the same thing using both our methods, and everyone would be happy. And you’d get a free gumdrop for your troubles, and ride a unicorn home from work, and your socks would never get holes in them.
But we were meanwhile discussing the balance of the actual real life game, where Japan does not, in fact, have the same players as the big 3. So real life balance of the real life game has to be done taking into account the reality that the playerbase is lopsided. And Gaijin correctly does so.
(Edit: Notably, using Gaijin’s method, even in the fantasy world, would still be just as good as your method, btw. Gaijin’s method works in BOTH cases, yours only works in one narrow case, and no better even then than Gaijin’s, so Gaijin’s is still strictly superior)
Just play on T-34-85 against Panthers. This would probably change your mind about characteristics based balance. Its easy on second rank where everyone are oneshooting each other.
I don’t get your confusion since it has been explained, this “hypothetical” allows underr-tiering of some minor nation vehicles. Which is why you get clearly superior vehicles sitting at the same BR of another nations option as it is now. Ask France, Italy, and Japan, and to a lesser extent GB.
So we now get the fact some Big 3 vehicles are definitely being effected by the lowest common denominator (due to the sheer number of newer players that go through them), and no, balancing the game by every muppet that holds W and yells YOLO YOLO is a terrible idea and led to people being put off higher skill nations.
You have far too much trust in the limited way Gaijin is able to set BRs.
You are saying Minor Nations should be buggered over purely because of so when newer players try them their challenge is A LOT harder than going through the Big 3. Because that is what happens.
I mean you haven’t even gotten to the most egregious zone of BRs so maybe that is why you cannot fathom it, and in RB it is a more important still as nations do not fight themselves like AB where it is much more noticable.
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I have played various 85 guns vs Panthers. It didn’t change my mind one bit and has nothing to do with what we were talking about anyway, no matter what experience I had. (Because we were talking about lopsided playerbases, and MY personal experience in one vehicle vs another is by definition not lopsided by player, so is irrelevant to this topic)