Go look at the wiki and see what the f20 carries and then compare it to what others carry.
The f16 has a lot more than just it’s missiles making it 13.0 tbf on that one, but do think it also should get 9M not the 9L
As for the f20, It’s the same missile load out as the phantoms a whole BR below it.
My bad on the 11.7 i remembered the old BR for that, now it’s 11.3 to 12.3 loadout
Of course you still are meeting AIM-9Ls and R-60s, you would even still meet them if the F-4C remained at 10.0
What Phantom at 11.7 carries AIM-9Ls? If you meant a BR step instead of a whole BR, only the F-4EJ Kai has a similar loadout, but that plane is inferior to the F-20 in most ways, it just gets more of the same missiles.
All the F-16s at 13.0 carry the same kind of missiles as the F-20, just with 2 additional AIM-9Ls, as mentioned before.
actually thought am i schizophrenic or did they fix the airframe issues with the mlu? cant find anything about it
Imagine a player who can’t evade a 15G missile…
I doesn’t track you through montains, you’re the one who catches the missile
Litening II is very useful in air RB for sure XD
They actually do have a tendency to keep track through terrain
Here’s the take, I’d compare these 3 aircraft for they share similar characteristic: F20A, Mig21Bison and Mirage2000C. (Personally I think Mirage 2000C should be at 12.7 so let’s treat it that way)
The perk of Mirage 2000C and Bison is majorly its FOX2, Magic 2 and R73 are both top of the line and they are roughly similar, maybe R73 is slightly better?
This is one thing that F20A is not good at.
Secondly I wanna bring it to the MRAAM, Sparrow F is the best among those 3, with S530D comes second, the R27R be the worst. S530D is almost as fast as Sparrow F but it has about 30% shorter range. R27R is noticeably slower than both missile, thus worse, albeit having IOG.
And now it comes to FM, Mirage is unquestionably the best, the F20 is not that far off, in a capable hand it should make up a good fight against mirage, the major drawback is the performance on lower speed (<200 kts or 400kph) but it does produce speed a lot faster, like insanely fast, so all you have to do is to go straight for a couple of second to regain advantage. In the meantime, Mig21Bison … is pretty much Mig21Bis. On higher speed, all 3 of them call pull to 10+G. So no problem there.
So is that clear to you? F20 and Mirage should be at 12.7, and Bison can sit in 12.3 because of the chassis.
Yup, I’ve got a feeling they already forgot that they introduced seperate BRs for ground battles
Actually agree about the mirage br it’s a beast, however I disagree with you about the f20 and consider it should be 12/12.3(at worst) and the mirage 12.7
You’ve practically exolained so yourself in describing why the mirage should be 12.7 and the f20 being worse than it at 12.7 currently suggests it should be lower too in these br changes
It’s defo sitting in the wrong place for what it faces at the moment and what it can be offensive/defensive with. If the top br was expanded to 14.0 I’d absolutely agree on the f20 being 12.7 however
the f-20 should get aim9ms but retain the same missile count while the f16 should get 9ms and maybe even move up slightly to add aim120s
This
There is no way the F-20 should be 12.0 when the F-4J/S and Spey Phantoms are 12.0. It shouldn’t be 12.3 either, as that’s where the F-4EJ Kai and Kurnass 2000 are sitting. 12.7 is a fair BR for it considering it still has a good FM, great general flight performance and a very competitive radar set.
Yes, but they do track not you, but your not accurate digital copy. If you change direction , missile will not hit.
But this guy, he can catch the missile! Outstanding skill.
And AIM-54 (all three) has a 17G limit
That would only serve to make the compression worse. The F-16s and the F-20 are fine at their current BRs. For the nations whose F-16s carried AMRAAMs IRL, but don’t have them ingame there should just be a late variant of said F-16s.
The issue of ARH planes vs SARH/IR planes should be adressed another way.
So I mentioned this many time around this forum, but since you’re here I am gonna say this again.
The main problem is that The top tier especially above 13.0 is compressed tremendously, so any aircrafts at 12.3+ without FOX3 is not going to have a good time, period, is does not matter what you are really. This is probably what you should be concerning instead.
What’s at 12.3?
F4EJ kai, that thing is a F4 with double the amount of the same thing of what you have, but F4 nonetheless, maybe 1/3 the acceleration of what you have, and definitely a brick compare to F20.
F14A, with Aim54A of course, but elsewise an underpowered superheavy jet with trash RWR and rear aspect missile only.
And I’m not even gonna talk about kurnass 2000 and mirage 2000D cuz I believe they belong to 12.0
Imagine you put F20A in the same BR, remember that F4J(UK) is at 12.0, firing skyflash and Aim9H, with a chassis that’s basically F4C.
Again, if you feel something is not performing, always ask to raise the BR cap, not getting it down, since we don’t need another F104A
And this, we should leave player with choice. What if I only wanna play F16 with FOX1 and a lower BR? Again they are struggling only because the current 13.7 is slaughtering everyone else. Just because of this does not means they aren’t incredibly powerful compare with everything else below them, the problem really comes down to BR compression.
Not a phoenix, but it makes the point.
the ADF is too high considering the gripen A and MiG-29G are at the same BR with IRCCM missiles and HMD
The F-16s aren’t too high, the MiG-29G, Gripen A, etc are too low.