The F-20 still faces the same planes as it did before the BR changes. Having to fight Fox-3s in a plane without Fox-3s isn’t solved by putting AIM-9Ms on a vehicle that still doesn’t have Fox-3s. That issue has to be addressed through other means.
As a F-16 Jr the BR of 12.7 is definitely fair for the F-20.
The point is that giving it 9Ms at least undoes part of the significant merging it faced from its FM nerf (justified) and then in the updates since its introduction 9M and fox 3 have been added.
It never used to face such things and had a fair balance for where it was at.
It hasn’t been updated to reflect those changes in the planes and load outs it NOW faces yet has been moved up so it still faces those planes and load outs.
Part of the br decompression was suposedly to move the fox 3 slingers away for those who aren’t
Again a 11.3-11.7 loadout on a 12.7 plane is ridiculous
I get that Phoenixes are annoying to deal with now with the lower Multipathing, but it really isn’t that hard.
Not getting any kills because the Tomcats take most of them just is a side effect of other issues, including the lowered MP threshold, the F-14 itself still isn’t that great of a plane.
yeah a side effect of other issues that could reasonably mitigated by either moving up the f14 or adding semi competent missiles to planes at tiers around it. id rather have missiles honestly - - instead of giving stuff like the MLU/ADF their actual missiles that would probably make the f14s role as a missile bus obsolete (aim 120) u could just add aim9ms and the issue would be mostly solved when it comes to phoenix dominance
More like US plane on 11.3-12.0 has 12.7 loadout
Aim7M is a privilege to the US between that BR btw
The F-20 has the same air to air loadout as the now 13.0 F-16A ADF, just with 2 AIM-9Ls instead of 4.
It faced Fox-3s before the BR update and still faces them now because as you’ve said the update didn’t actually seperate Fox-3 planes from non-Fox-3 planes.
Vehicles don’t get moved down in BR when new tech gets introduced, as that would just make the BR compression even worse.
What would have to happen is a seperate matchmaker for Fox-3 planes to guarantee that Fox-3 carriers only ever fight other Fox-3 carriers.
It’s a 13.0 loadout minus 2 AIM-9Ls, the AIM-7F and AIM-7M are identical ingame
Ok guys, i get up-tier in F4C im ded, then I get down-tier in F4C and see 9L and R60, i still ded.
WHYYYYYY
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lmaoooo
Go look at the wiki and see what the f20 carries and then compare it to what others carry.
The f16 has a lot more than just it’s missiles making it 13.0 tbf on that one, but do think it also should get 9M not the 9L
As for the f20, It’s the same missile load out as the phantoms a whole BR below it.
My bad on the 11.7 i remembered the old BR for that, now it’s 11.3 to 12.3 loadout
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Of course you still are meeting AIM-9Ls and R-60s, you would even still meet them if the F-4C remained at 10.0
What Phantom at 11.7 carries AIM-9Ls? If you meant a BR step instead of a whole BR, only the F-4EJ Kai has a similar loadout, but that plane is inferior to the F-20 in most ways, it just gets more of the same missiles.
All the F-16s at 13.0 carry the same kind of missiles as the F-20, just with 2 additional AIM-9Ls, as mentioned before.
actually thought am i schizophrenic or did they fix the airframe issues with the mlu? cant find anything about it
Imagine a player who can’t evade a 15G missile…
I doesn’t track you through montains, you’re the one who catches the missile
Litening II is very useful in air RB for sure XD
They actually do have a tendency to keep track through terrain
Here’s the take, I’d compare these 3 aircraft for they share similar characteristic: F20A, Mig21Bison and Mirage2000C. (Personally I think Mirage 2000C should be at 12.7 so let’s treat it that way)
The perk of Mirage 2000C and Bison is majorly its FOX2, Magic 2 and R73 are both top of the line and they are roughly similar, maybe R73 is slightly better?
This is one thing that F20A is not good at.
Secondly I wanna bring it to the MRAAM, Sparrow F is the best among those 3, with S530D comes second, the R27R be the worst. S530D is almost as fast as Sparrow F but it has about 30% shorter range. R27R is noticeably slower than both missile, thus worse, albeit having IOG.
And now it comes to FM, Mirage is unquestionably the best, the F20 is not that far off, in a capable hand it should make up a good fight against mirage, the major drawback is the performance on lower speed (<200 kts or 400kph) but it does produce speed a lot faster, like insanely fast, so all you have to do is to go straight for a couple of second to regain advantage. In the meantime, Mig21Bison … is pretty much Mig21Bis. On higher speed, all 3 of them call pull to 10+G. So no problem there.
So is that clear to you? F20 and Mirage should be at 12.7, and Bison can sit in 12.3 because of the chassis.
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Yup, I’ve got a feeling they already forgot that they introduced seperate BRs for ground battles
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Actually agree about the mirage br it’s a beast, however I disagree with you about the f20 and consider it should be 12/12.3(at worst) and the mirage 12.7
You’ve practically exolained so yourself in describing why the mirage should be 12.7 and the f20 being worse than it at 12.7 currently suggests it should be lower too in these br changes
It’s defo sitting in the wrong place for what it faces at the moment and what it can be offensive/defensive with. If the top br was expanded to 14.0 I’d absolutely agree on the f20 being 12.7 however
the f-20 should get aim9ms but retain the same missile count while the f16 should get 9ms and maybe even move up slightly to add aim120s
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