Serious Balance Issues with Russian Vehicles in War Thunder

[Just_Baron]

Tracked?

[G3ntl3man95]

@Lyn_poster

Pars

really Pars are better? i fided 3 missile for a t90 and only one crited… yeah pars are so good only no have chemical energy to kill a mbt… its so rare kill a tank with one missile…

[ARK_BOI]

@MotorolaCRO

Ah yeah tell me more how you dodged half of their team in Pantsirs while flying your UFO.

Being pilot with brain more than average Russian perhaps?
thanks to Pantsir and SU-25SM3 and SU-34 combo they teach me into one.

[Lyn_poster]

Theres multiple versions of the Spyder theres a TELAR system a tracked all in one or tracked with separate vehicles for the radar

[Just_Baron]

As far as I know, I’ve never seen an AIO SPYDER with tracks.

[HrcKazume]

@Lyn_poster

You’re on the AF for 15s at most no SU-34 is gonna be staring at the airfield when he could be throwing KH-38s

Decide already. Is it relevant or irrelevant? Get a grip!

@Lyn_poster

Actually you should be punished for being a CAS player but thats another issue

What’s wrong with you, man? Go get lost with your dishonorable crap.

@Lyn_poster

Yeah there is its called spawn your fucking fighter and throw an AMRAAM at his skull idiot

Because every missile always hits immediately, right? What’s your win rate? Sounds like you always make the best and perfect decisions and kill everything. Get real…

@Lyn_poster

Please highlight where i said the words “never spawn CAS” i think you need to get your head checked you’re clearly unwell making up fictional scenarios in your mind

Read it again, and again, and again, and maybe then you’ll understand half of what people are saying here. And also read your own stuff 5 times over.

@Lyn_poster

Because its called a slippery slope you fucking idiot if they gave brimstones FNF then russia would get something even more broken in return and then NATO would cry again and get something even more broken all while SPAA stays the same, the KH-38 being added was a mistake you have to deal with and actually didn’t you say earlier i should “adress the problem” well heres how to adress it shut the fuck up until everyone gets better SPAA and then you can get your fancy 16 FNF missiles because as it stands currently there is zero counter if it were to be added

No need to get so toxic, or are you just running out of arguments?

My point is that the combination of absolutely destructive jets with KH-38s, the best SPAA with Pantsir, and the sniper helis KA50/52 completely destroys every game.

It would be better if there were no FNF missiles for any nation until proper counters are available. Right now, top-tier is just ridiculous. Just like your stupid way of being toxic to people here.

[ARK_BOI]

Hey I still waiting for you answer me about the fairness when I had to do all sht like
-Spawn Gripen
-Already get fire upon by Pantsir right after spawn
-Dodging incoming missile while looking for SU-34 at the same times
-Keep dodging while keep moving forward
-Watch out for R-77 and Pantsir at same time
-Finally kill one or two SU-34
-Keep dodging Pantsir until another one spawn
-Repeat
or it is what your fairness look like eh?

[noamax]

After the changes only russian helis are op

[MotorolaCRO]

@ARK_BOI

-Watch out for R-77 and Pantsir at same time

So you don’t have to watch for anything, got it.

[noamax]

Well there is limit how much russian bias can turn russian junk into smt good so u cant change a whole plane model to have more energy rotantion or smt just bcuz u dont like
Also thats why u have r73 which is the best df ir missile

[ARK_BOI]

so does SU-34? can i just be braindead like them?
still don’t answer me
or you can’t? because this it your logic of fairness right?

[MotorolaCRO]

@noamax

Also thats why u have r73 which is the best df ir missile

You aren’t dogfighting anything in a Su-34.

[MotorolaCRO]

Yes you can be braindead like them, just in different categories.

[AlvisWisla]

Yes, NATO CAS and Su-34 is OP, this is well known and Gaijin has responded multiple times by saying they’re focusing on SPAA this year. NATO CAS however isn’t Russian.
Ka-52 hasn’t been a meta helicopter in years. The last Kamov that was a threat to me was in 2023 and only because I didn’t have proximity rounds unlocked on my Abrams, and even then it took ~5 Vikhrs to frag me. I respawned in an Abrams with proxy rounds and fragged them in the first shot.
Pantsir is useless against the IR AGMs targeting MBTs just like everything else.

Brimstone missiles are not similar to AGM-65D/G, KH-38, PGM /3, and Hammer missile systems.
Ka-52s are quite literally countered with a singular ADATS or better SPAA.
And Su-34s are countered in the same manner F-16Cs are countered: Aircraft.

[Demokrat4]

I hope the gaijin will restore order at the top rank. Many top rank aircraft simply have the wrong BR, for example the A-10C and AV-8B+ have the same BR as the Su-34 or F-16C or F-15E. It’s just not cute.

[noamax]

Im saying it for russian planes in general
U cant df in the f15e too they are strike bombers not fighters

[ARK_BOI]

You pretty much avoid all of my question about your fairness
i wonder why?
And sure, considering as i had to do all those just to get to one or two SU-34 it uses ways more brain than even two SU-34 pilot braincell combine to get some tank kills.

[AlvisWisla]

@ARK_BOI

Hah like facing KH-38 and Pantsir combo are fun

I’ve died to less KH-38s than I have to AGM-65s. I’ve died to zero PGMs and Hammers partially cause I’ve yet to play top ground consistently since PGM /3s released for them to get an opportunity, partially because I run the onion layers not just against tanks but against CAS as well.

CAS while OP at top BR, is not entirely unavoidable. Nearly all of my deaths for the passed 2 years at top ground are MBTs, with light tanks in 2nd, and fighters in 3rd cause I was spamming out CAS throughout 2023 and half of 2024.

People could learn tactics that lower their chances of being spotted by ground and air while we wait for new SPAA to be added.
I’ve been waiting over 2 years, you can wait with me.

[MotorolaCRO]

@ARK_BOI

You pretty much avoid all of my question about your fairness

It’s been answered long time ago.

@ARK_BOI

And sure, considering as i had to do all those just to get to one or two SU-34 it uses ways more brain than even two SU-34 pilot braincell combine to get some tank kills.

What’s all that ? Dodging Pantsir from 15km away and R-77s ?
Get off your high horse buddy, your UFOs aren’t allowed to be the best at everything, no matter how much you cry about bias.

[HrcKazume]

@AlvisWisla

Yes, NATO CAS and Su-34 is OP, this is well known and Gaijin has responded multiple times by saying they’re focusing on SPAA this year. NATO CAS however isn’t Russian.

The first reasonable response I’ve received so far. Thank you!

@AlvisWisla

Ka-52 hasn’t been a meta helicopter in years. The last Kamov that was a threat to me was in 2023 and only because I didn’t have proximity rounds unlocked on my Abrams, and even then it took ~5 Vikhrs to frag me. I respawned in an Abrams with proxy rounds and fragged them in the first shot.

I encounter a Ka-52 heli in almost every match. At least every other round, I get killed multiple times by a heli.

@AlvisWisla

Brimstone missiles are not similar to AGM-65D/G, KH-38, PGM /3, and Hammer missile systems.

What exactly do you mean?

@AlvisWisla

Ka-52s are quite literally countered with a singular ADATS or better SPAA.

Depending on playstyle, yes or no. Against sniper helis, no chance. Against more aggressive helis that fly closer to the battlefield, yes.

@AlvisWisla

And Su-34s are countered in the same manner F-16Cs are countered: Aircraft.

No question, with the EF-2000, these are usually taken out of the sky quickly.

I’m clearly referring to the combinations of “best SPAA,” “best FNF jets,” and “flying tanks with rotors.”